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posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 07:10 AM
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a reply to: thesungod

1. I do not support division. But I think inclusion should be limited to American citizens. I am strong on illegal immigration. There is a right way and a wrong way to enter this country. Choose the wrong way and you put yourself in the criminal group and that is not what I want included in my country. We have enough criminals here already. Just look at DC.

2. I am not the least bit ok with two felons running for office. The two party system is killing this country as are the pitiable choices they offer us. At this point, I have to believe this is some kind of sick joke among the elite who are sitting back laughing their butts off watching us trying to pick the lesser of two evils.

3. From what I see, the left has the agendas far more than the right. The right says, "If you want to own a gun you can, as long as you do it legally." The left says. "I don't like guns, so I won't own one and neither can you." The right says, "If you want to enter this country, do it legally and pay your fair share of taxes and become a proud American." The left says, "It doesn't matter how you got here, please take this money and this job and this subsidized housing and free healthcare that isn't really free, its just free to you." It always appeared to me that the left has the agendas and the right is more about individuals making their own informed decisions rather than toeing the party line regardless of how deleterious it may be.




posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 07:43 AM
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Well I wish you luck, health, and success in whatever your extra-national endeavors are! Take care out there.

Peace.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

I hear ya, but question 3 isn't who has the agenda, but whether or not you push said agenda at home/to children/knowingly easily influenced people etc.? Left or Right.

If that is the way you see the agenda (the Right's push for individuals making their own informed decisions rather than toeing the party line regardless of how deleterious it may be) is that how you portray if you do?

Or do you throw random screaming fits at your phone in front 3 kids screaming about what candidate X did now?

^This is what I personally saw that spawns the question and it came from a person I NEVER would have imagined to freak out over politics or even follow it EVER. Quite a shock and what one of the kiddos asked me right after just wrenched my guts.
edit on 24-10-2016 by thesungod because: forgot a you



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: AceWombat04

Thanks. I appreciate it. Care to take a stab at my questions?



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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Wait, are you from Iraq? If so, have fun going home. If not, I'm to believe you are leaving the US for Iraq, because it's what.... better?



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 09:13 AM
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Not believing in globalism and open borders is not intrinsically divisive, but it will always be portrayed as such by those that favour it.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: Tempter

I am a born and breed American. I'll be going there for work, because I'm not diverse enough to get fed contracts anymore. Was getting them all the time, until this last stent. I took some me time and took my own advice, traveled a bit more outside Europe and South America. I'm not leaving forever and never coming back. Where do most of us get the idea that expatriate means to give up your citizenship?

Despite what you hear on the news only a corner of the country has issues and it's all along the Syria-Iraq border. I'll try to avoid there unless a job takes me there. Not it's not better than the States. A lot of the people there are better than a lot people here, but that is a different tale. A window A/C unit and no internet isn't very appealing. The work and money is. I like helping people.

You gonna answer my questions?



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: CulturalResilience

I never said they were or weren't. Want to try answering my questions?



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: thesungod

You should look into contracting stateside eventually - especially after the Kingdomware SCOTUS decision, veteran owned small businesses and SDVOSBs have first priority (at least with the VA). Of course it depends what line of work you are in.

Will offer up some answers to your Qs after work.

I'm a Contracting Officer and have contemplated taking some gigs over in that area - right now my wife and 10 week old are keeping me put (well except for our upcoming transfer to TN).

Stay safe.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: SonOfThor

I have done contract here. Many in fact, but we don't fit the bill for any VA stuff and if we go TOO private we'll never pull another fed contract. We got first serve on all other contracts we applied for but then suddenly, we aren't diverse enough. IDK and I'm not going to fight it.

I await your answers.

Stay at home if you've got a kid. I would.

VA and then the mention of TN... LOL. I'm assuming one place and I'm awful close to it right across the state line in KY (Still can't used to typing that and when you see your first KY doughnut place...)
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posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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1. No

2. No

3. I do not have children and my sibling does not live with me.

If, as it would appear from the tone of your reply to my response, you would prefer people not to analyse and respond to what you post, It would have been more effective to just have posted the questions you are seeking the answers to.

Please take care in your travels.

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: CulturalResilience

I never said they were or weren't. Want to try answering my questions?



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 11:53 AM
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It never occurred to me that private military contractors (if that is your line of work) would have to fulfil quota obligations, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the fact. Sorry for going off topic.


originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: Tempter

I'm not diverse enough to get fed contracts anymore.




posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: CulturalResilience

You are assuming I have a tone. I don't I promise. I'm just blunt.

Analyzing it is fine, but answer the dang questions, then let's analyze anything you want.


originally posted by: CulturalResilience
Not believing in globalism and open borders is not intrinsically divisive, but it will always be portrayed as such by those that favour it.


That's a good point and one I am trying to make in a way. Why can't the US citizens that are pro globalist and those that are pro nationalist, get together and figure out how to make both work in tandem? How would such a system work? What levels or traits of globalism would you be willing to accept as a nationalist?
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posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I guess the best way to sum it up is don't hate the player, hate the game.


Ha. That's a BS excuse.

Remove the players and there is no game.

So ya, hate the players and remove them whenever possible and the game goes away all on it's own.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 12:11 PM
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I have answered your questions, not expansively admittedly, but thought you would prefer me to be direct.

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: CulturalResilience

You are assuming I have a tone. I don't I promise. I'm just blunt.

I have answered your questions, not expansively admittedly, but I thought you would prefer me to be direct


Analyzing it is fine, but answer the dang questions, then let's analyze anything you want.


originally posted by: CulturalResilience
Not believing in globalism and open borders is not intrinsically divisive, but it will always be portrayed as such by those that favour it.


That's a good point and one I am trying to make in a way. Why can't the US citizens that are pro globalist and those that are pro nationalist, get together and figure out how to make both work in tandem? How would such a system work? What levels or traits of globalism would you be willing to accept as a nationalist.




edit on 24-10-2016 by CulturalResilience because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: CulturalResilience

Not exactly a PMC, but close enough. I run a safety and security team for STRICTLY relief and development groups. We are not a PMC, by law, but again close enough. I've done a lot of work with Docs w/o Borders believe it or not. They always have security and escorts, just not always armed.

I've gotten REALLY good at soccer in last few years playing with kids from the other side of planet... Something I am oddly proud of now. LOL.

That's the thing though. The team and employees haven't changed, just that the contracts. Which is weird.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Gonna answer my questions? Or just troll other members?



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: thesungod

I'm not trolling other members. I'm just eliminating their false arguments.

But to your questions:

#1. I don't support division in people. Social or Political. We should be finding out common ground with each other not making divisions between us.

#2. Felons in power is probably not a good idea although the case could be made for still allowing it. An ex-Felon having served their time in full and depending upon what their crime was who is now reformed may actually be just fine. Currently I don't support either possible president. I think we're screwed either way and will be pissed off about either of them getting it.

#3. I don't usually push agendas at home too often and if I did it would be with my wife only and we're pretty much on the same page anyway. No kids or siblings to push agendas on around here.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Awesome and thank you. I wasn't really calling you troll, more attempting to illicit a response.

I guess I was trolling you.
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posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: thesungod

I understood question 3 and my answer is correct. The way I see it toeing the party line and expecting others to do the same is advancing an agenda. Telling your children to make their own informed decision is not an agenda. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Therefore, in my opinion the left has the agenda while the right avoids agenda in favor of individual perspective and informed decision. The fact that many people feel the same way does not make it agenda as such but rather indicates a commonality in perception. Of course there are always some who fit the agenda description on the right as well. But I don't see that nearly as much as on the left. But in truth, I do see it.

I do not throw random screaming fits at my phone...lol

I know some people go over the top with politics. This year there are a whole lot of people who are much more concerned than many are willing to admit. People are genuinely afraid of what will happen to this nation after this election, regardless of who wins. Even the people who devotedly toe the party line know deep in their hearts that their candidate is a disaster, no matter who it is. Some people are just too slow to understand how bad this really is. Some are too far gone on the rhetoric highway to see it. And a great many are suffering cognitive dissonance - the effect of something so frightening that it can not be fully acknowledged by the waking mind without having it dramatically affect their behavior.

A good friend of mine is a psychologist. She told me recently that she has a rash of new clients seeking help with anxiety mainly stemming from this election. As is the case with most people, there are other issues as well. But she said she has never had so many people come to her asking for help rationalizing an election that is so completely irrational. These people are genuinely afraid of what will happen in the next four years - like apocalyptic afraid.

~~on a side note, she did mention that for every person afraid of Trump getting elected there are two to three who fear hillary. I thought that was very telling in itself.~~

As far as children are concerned I was told by a very very good friend of mine something that had happened to him recently. This is a man I have known longer than anyone but family. He is independent by nature but more conservative than liberal. His wife is a dedicated liberal. His daughter was raised to think for herself and make her own decisions. The family unit worked, even though it had some touchy topics to dance around once in a while. The daughter went off to college. When she came home she had changed. She was so liberal even her own mother had problems with her point of view on many issues. It all came to a head recently when the daughter publicly announced, on social media, that her father was, "...a disgusting embarrassment to the entire family". Mind you, this is a family of three. My friend was heartbroken and his daughter was relentless. She was the very picture of the rabid liberal. Demanding acceptance for all while excluding and damning those who dare to disagree. The worst part of it all is that you can't even talk to her about it. Any attempt at stating a point of view contrary to hers is treated like a violent assault. I honestly believe that if she was pressed hard enough by a conservative perspective she would literally run screaming into the trees never to be seen again.

If I were to give advice or instruction to children at this point, it would be simply to not be a lemming. It is easy to follow the path others have made. But following too closely, without knowledge of your destination or journey, can lead to disaster.



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