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Trump Up 2 Points Nationwide, While Clinton Campaigns As If The Race Is Already Won

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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:20 PM
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The information on Clinton in the alternative media is no more or less reliable than the information available in its biased mainstream counterpart. a reply to: Sillyolme




posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: mkultra11

No the polls are random they don't call dems or republicans. That's the answers they are getting. You know there are more registered democrats than republicans right? That's just how it is.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

No you look it up it will mean more. But you can start with six billion dollars supposedly missing from the state department.
Debunked. Let me get you started

www.politifact.com...



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

I hardly call a 6 billion dollar paper trail that was misplaced/forgotten/lost as debunked.


"Instead, it found that the failure to adequately maintain contract files — documents necessary to ensure the full accounting of U.S. tax dollars — ‘creates significant financial risk and demonstrates a lack of internal control over the department’s contract actions.’ "


FYI: I have looked them up. I'm not over here just throwing out "Wrongs" and "Liar" without question.

Try again.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
Maybe, but you post like a Democrat and employ the same tactics so don't congratulate yourself to hard.a reply to: olaru12



Thank you. I take that as a complement to be on the winning side. I'll congratulate myself when I unfurl my "I told you SO" banner after the elections.

If Trump won't be a gracious loser, I'm not going to be a gracious winner. Deal with it!


I actually hope he doesn't accept his loss graciously. It would put the final vile cap on his disgusting campaign of hate. Send him filthy like he is into history.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: mobiusmale

I think Trump supporters are going to be motivated to get out, line up and vote. The question is, will Hillary's supporters do the same?


^ This is an interesting angle...

So all the liberals and democrats are digesting the MSM rhetoric of "Trump is losing, Trump is finished, Trump is done"

Would the impression that Hilary has it in the bag, make them statistically less likely to get out and vote?


Has is not already been proven that the anti-Trump movement consistently backfires? Isn't the desperation to defame and discredit starting to look a little ridiculous?

Exhibit A - Latest Trump accuser (also a porn star!) claims trump hugged and kissed her without permission.

And spare us the "oh so she's a porn star she can't be the victim of sexual assault" line. Twisting words to get your message across is what's getting you in trouble in the first place.


Disclaimer, I don't really support either candidate... I'm just growing tired of this particular circus.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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Didn't you say earlier in the thread that this shouldn't be about hate? reply to: Sillyolme



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: MarkOfTheV

Kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. MSM has put all their eggs in one basket, the result is division.

Very good perspective. Honestly looking forward to before and after polling data vs actual voter turnout.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:40 PM
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FYI: I have looked them up.

Have you? Then why not post something from the actual report in order to support the claim?
Why not point out where the report says:

a 6 billion dollar paper trail that was misplaced/forgotten/lost

I think I know why. Is it because the report does not say anything close to that?

Why not point out that the audit was not a accounting audit? Is it because that would indicate that there is no indication that any money "went missing?"


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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:48 PM
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Have you?


I have



Then why not post something from the actual report in order to support the claim?


I posted from the source.




I think I know why. It's because the report does not say anything close to that.


Well if the money was never missing, nor the paperwork, why is the topic even being brought up?



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:57 PM
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I posted from the source.
You posted a quote within a quote. You did not post from the report.


Well if the money was never missing, nor the paperwork, why is the topic even being brought up?
Because of a made up claim about what the report said.

The report does not indicate any money was unaccounted for, much less that $6 billion.

Some contract documents were not immediately available upon request. That does not mean they were missing. Other inconsistencies in the handling of contract documents were found. Contract documents are not accounting documents. Contract documents are bid documents and subcontract documents and insurance documents.

Of course, if you had read the actual report you would know that.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: Phage

You and your edits!


In sum, over the past 6 years, our audit work has uncovered significant contract file management deficiencies in Department contracts/task orders with a total value of more than $6 billion.


A financial audit, no. Just more file mismanagement that can not ALL be put on Clintons' lap. Nonetheless, more of the same MO.

oig.state.gov...



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Right.
So you agree that Trump's claim that $6 billion went missing is bogus. It's based on internet spread nonsense.

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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I would concede that the general statement made by Trump is incorrect.

I would not however dismiss the whole event as debunked.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:04 PM
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I would concede that the general statement made by Trump is incorrect.

General statement. Right.

The problem is, you talk but you don't get anything done, Hillary. You don't. Just like when you ran the State Department, $6 billion was missing. How do you miss $6 billion? You ran the State department. $6 billion was either stolen, they don't know. It’s gone. $6 billion. If you become president, this country is going to be in some mess. Believe me.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes, his all encompassed general statement.

Are we doubting the missing paperwork and passed deeds of Hillary and the similarities?

Trump being wrong in his statement means we should just overlook the actual facts of the matter?



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JinMI

I posted from the source.
You posted a quote within a quote. You did not post from the report.


Well if the money was never missing, nor the paperwork, why is the topic even being brought up?
Because of a made up claim about what the report said.

The report does not indicate any money was unaccounted for, much less that $6 billion.

Some contract documents were not immediately available upon request. That does not mean they were missing. Other inconsistencies in the handling of contract documents were found. Contract documents are not accounting documents. Contract documents are bid documents and subcontract documents and insurance documents.

Of course, if you had read the actual report you would know that.



Did you read the report or are you guessing?? There were several examples of fraud and missing money.A State Department contracting officer on a contract valued at $100 million falsified technical review information and provided the contractor with advance pricing information. It mentions 2 billion just missing in Iraq contracts now you could argue some if this was during bush and it was but it wasn't corrected when clinton took over either. The IG report mentions Bureau of African Affairs that money is flat out missing since they don't have contracts to explain where the money is and why.

People are arguing that “paperwork was missing, not dollars” well if you have a mortgage and you and the bank don't have the paperwork guess what that money you paid Is gone. Paperwork is money when dealing with contracts



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:17 PM
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Trump being wrong in his statement means we should just overlook the actual facts of the matter?

The actual facts were made public and were taken under advisement by those concerned.

Trump, in spouting internet rumor as if it were established fact, further degrades his limited credibility. At least among those with any discernment at all.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:22 PM
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Trump, in spouting internet rumor as if it were established fact, further degrades his limited credibility. At least among those with any discernment at all.


Right, and I've not claimed his statement to be true.

I've spoken on the paperwork (paper trail) that has went lost/missing/not recorded backed up by the report.

I didn't bring Trump into this.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

A State Department contracting officer on a contract valued at $100 million falsified technical review information and provided the contractor with advance pricing information.
Yes. Shading bidding. Did that $100 million disappear?



It mentions 2 billion just missing in Iraq contracts
False.


The IG report mentions Bureau of African Affairs that money is flat out missing
False.



People are arguing that “paperwork was missing, not dollars” well if you have a mortgage and you and the bank don't have the paperwork guess what that money you paid Is gone. Paperwork is money when dealing with contracts
False. I have paperwork to show that I made my payments. Contract documents are separate from accounting documents. The audit was of contract documents.



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