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Trump Up 2 Points Nationwide, While Clinton Campaigns As If The Race Is Already Won

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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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Yeah, what's up with this?

To hear the Libs tell it, this race was all over the day they released "the tape"...or was it done after the second debate...no, wait, it was when women suddenly started coming out of the woodwork from 30 years ago making claims of sexual misconduct against the Donald...or was it after the string of "oversampled" polls that showed Hillary with a 6-7% lead?

Well here is a Poll, where the sample was more balanced (but still with more Democrats polled):


The poll results include responses from 783 likely voters, with a weighted partisan breakdown of 282 Democrats, 226 Republicans, and 259 Independents. The results reflect the rolling average of six days' worth of polling.



Unrounded, Trump leads 42.6% to 40.8% — a 1.8-point edge — with Johnson at 7.2% and Stein at 3.3%. Trump also holds a nearly one-point lead in a two-way matchup — 43.2% to 42.3%.


Oops...are there cracks in the Great Wall of Corrupt Clinton?


Trump does better than Clinton among men (48% to 34%), lower-income voters (48% to 35%), rural voters (60% to 22%), and those who express a religion.

Clinton beats Trump with women (46% to 38%), voters ages 18-44 (41% to 34%), the wealthy (47% to 38%), and investors (48% to 38%).



Clinton, meanwhile, has been acting as if the presidential race is all but won. Over the weekend she was, according to The New York Times, "working to ensure a victory that is decisive enough to earn a mandate for her presidency." The Washington Post reported that "emboldened by polls predicting an electoral-college landslide in the presidential race, Clinton is shifting her strategy to lift up other Democrats coast to coast."


Given how poorly Clinton is connecting with farmers...she is likely unaware of the old saying about counting chickens before they are hatched.

It Ain't Over 'Til the Pantsuited Lady Sings

Yes...I know...it is just one Poll (but it is a more balanced one than the ones coming out of CNN, NBC and the other Clinton mouthpieces).



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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

Glad you posted this. I'm SO sick of the tired, old trick of trying to persuade voters on the fence by declaring "that candidate's done. Election over."

If you recall, that technique was used heavily in the 2000 presidential election for BOTH candidates and it ended up being the closest election in history.



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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:24 AM
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Given how poorly Clinton is connecting with farmers...she is likely unaware of the old saying about counting chickens before they are hatched. It Ain't Over 'Til the Pantsuited Lady Sings Yes...I know...it is just one Poll (but it is a more balanced one than the ones coming out of CNN, NBC and the other Clinton mouthpieces).


You are TPTB's worst night mare, an informed independent thinker that spreads their opinion. The more people our country has like you the faster the freedoms that were granted in the beginning will be restored.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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That Trump is more popular among men and Clinton among women is not particularly surprising as women tend to vote according to their feels. Given the fact there are a great deal of feminised men in the US that will probably vote for Clinton and of course the various minority and special interest groups it is surprising that any poll shows a Trump lead. With the openly biased media machine on her side it is looking like a done deal. Out of interest are there any non-feminised men on ATS that will admit to voting for Granny Psychopath?



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: mobiusmale

Glad you posted this. I'm SO sick of the tired, old trick of trying to persuade voters on the fence by declaring "that candidate's done. Election over."

If you recall, that technique was used heavily in the 2000 presidential election for BOTH candidates and it ended up being the closest election in history.



And lest we forget...


Back in 1980 Gallup had Jimmy Carter up over Ronald Reagan by 4 points in mid to late September… And, Carter was up 8 points in October. In fact there was a published Gallup poll showing Carter up six among likely voters in a poll conducted Oct. 24 to 27.

Ronald Reagan ended up winning by 9 points and taking 44 states.


MSM Polls Have Been Wrong Before

This election will be decided by the people who actually show up and vote.

I think Trump supporters are going to be motivated to get out, line up and vote. The question is, will Hillary's supporters do the same?
edit on 23-10-2016 by mobiusmale because: typo



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

I guess you don't understand that "national" polls have nothing to do with this. Clinton could well lose in the so-called popular vote count and easily win the election.

The election is all about the electoral college and the outcome is decided in the battleground or swing states.
See www.270towin.com... to understand this isn't really a "national" election, its about those grey states.

Then, check: www.realclearpolitics.com...
and you will see HRC has a big lead in most all of the battleground states. Trump has no road to 270.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:46 AM
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If the elections are rigged like Trump and his supporters (as well as myself) have claimed, and Trump wins, does that mean he won due to the election being rigged?

I'm amazed at how ATS'ers think that Trump and the right are immune to corruption and it's solely isolated to the left.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 11:50 AM
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I don't think corruption is the sole preserve of the right. Its just that the evidence of my own eyes, ears, and brain clearly tell me that Her Murderoussness is way more practiced at the art. a reply to: RomeByFire


edit on 23-10-2016 by CulturalResilience because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

It's called pure ignorance and Trump is their King. He is the most ignorant, whiny, thin skinned person to ever run for president. He's the poster child of what not to be when running for office. But yet, scandal after scandal combined with his own stupid stream of thought people still LOVE him. I don't get it.

Can anyone lead the right wing by simply stating the same conspiracy theories they believe in?



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:19 PM
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Clinton is the poster "woman" of how to get elected by selling out to globalist open border traitors and thereby assuring the biased of an equally seditious and complicit media. The fact that Trump appears to be unlike the harpy in that respect is where his appeal is rooted.
a reply to: Swills



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:40 PM
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The polls are rigged.

The most recent Investors Business Daily poll, showing Trump up by 2% is another rigged poll as they all are. The pollsters have been rigging their results by sampling many more Democrats than Republicans. Most people don't have the slightest idea how to figure statistics. Let me evaluate this for you.

They polled 767 people

282 Democrats

226 Republicans

259 independents

So, lets just make if fair. Let's assume the people voted their party. We'll increase the number of Republicans to 282. What does that do to the outcome? 46.5% for Trump and 38.0% for Clinton, which gives trump a lead of 8.5%

If you take the recent Arizona poll that had Clinton up by 5% and do the same...

This poll shows they polled 713 people,

413 Democrats

168 Republicans

132 Ind

So, let's increase the number of Republicans to 413 and see how it affects the result, with the same assumption.

When the sampling is made fair, Trump gets 51% and Clinton gets 29%, a lead for Trump of 22%. Isn't that more in line with what you would expect from Arizona, a decidedly red state?

The ABC poll that is the subject of this article, seems to be fraudulent right from the get go. First of all add up the percentages of groups sampled.

36% Democrat

27% Republicans

31% Independent

A total of 94%. Where's the other 6%? Are they aliens, or maybe Bob Creamer hired voters? From what we have seen with the other polls, I would assume the numbers were really

42% Democrats 367 samples

27% Republicans 236 samples

31% independent 271 samples

But of course, there's no way to know.With bad data, it is hard to begin to figure out what they did. One can only assume that they didn't want anyone to be able to figure out how they rigged it.

So, lets do the same adjustment and analysis on the corrected samples, above.

We end up with Trump at 44% and Clinton at 41%. This is much more likely than their bogus numbers.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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The libs have lied about everything else and pulled every stunt in the book,,,the libs take a more thuggish and hypocrisy approach at winning an election especially after the veritas vids



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: AgarthaSeed

That's because there were two viable candidates.
Not one candidate and one who wants to play candidate on tv.
This election will never rival the tight race of 2000.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: CulturalResilience

Women vote with their feels? Condescending much?
Women vote with their brains same as men.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

Hillary supporters are highly motivated. We will be there.
Look at the early voting ballots. Lots of democratic voters reporting in.
Lots of brand new people registered dem in Oct.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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Science says otherwise. Plus if you read again you will see that I actually said women tend to vote with their feels, and not the blanket statement you are trying to suggest I made. a reply to: Sillyolme



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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These last we weeks are still important for Hillary. For swing voters like myself it's the difference between me voting independent and me voting for her. This Veritas thing--for example. These last days are when they might fight the hardest to bring the other down. I'll give em a chance.

Like one poster stated, the real victory is in the battleground states. It's electoral. These polls are usually--far as I can tell--too nationwide.

The chances I'll vote for Trump are not good. Most of the sexual assault allegations must be proven false. The rape lawsuit against him will be dropped because it was untrue. Trump reverses on past comments towards woman and vows to redeem himself. He apologizes for the hate speech against muslims and informs us he'll allow syrians and others who practice islam to come here, even as he urges lawmakers to tighten the filtering. He'll downsize the wall proposal and grant amnesty to all undocumented workers, as well as giving them paths to citizenship and acknowledging they're presently am economically valuable tax paying population. He'll even admit he's hired undocumented to keep costs down. And so on. You see, none of this will happen.
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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: CulturalResilience
Science says otherwise. Plus if you read again you will see that I actually said women tend to vote with their feels, and not the blanket statement you are trying to suggest I made. a reply to: Sillyolme



Its best just to ignore that silly poster, he's known as the village idiot around here.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: RomeByFire

It's called pure ignorance and Trump is their King. He is the most ignorant, whiny, thin skinned person to ever run for president. He's the poster child of what not to be when running for office. But yet, scandal after scandal combined with his own stupid stream of thought people still LOVE him. I don't get it.

Can anyone lead the right wing by simply stating the same conspiracy theories they believe in?


If you served in the US military and actually picked up a weapon to defend something you would understand it instead of crying all the time instead of doing anything about it. I served over 20 years, what Hillary did was a violation of OPSEC, her and her staff. Also violated the FOIA. That law is to protect ALL, all Americans. Her and her staff violated that law to the highest caliber. That is why. Three FBI field offices wanted to investigate her foundation and were shot down. That is why. That is why I am voting for Trump.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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Ahh resorting to insults the go to playground tactic of a desperate loser.a reply to: ColaTesla



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