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If universum is computer emulation there will never be a God proof

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posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: galien8

Trying to grasp this---I get this at a fundamental level and have been reading about it for a while.

There's just something it seems to miss---it's so impersonal. Does anything really matter at all then If we're just Syms characters?

And then what is instinct? Love of sacred? Or even love? How about intuition?

Is there a god? Are you just saying God is a computer nerd?




posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: MRuss

While I have heard about this many years back and have thought about it a good bit, I think that the fact we all have our own opinions, emotions, thoughts and unpredictable action to thought ratio ( I.E. we make many mistakes even when we have all we need to succeed ).

If we lived in a simulation, I'd also imagine things would run a lot smoother than they do, there is so many mistakes it's insane not to mention this recent regurgitation of movies, is the simulation broke and unable to come up with better movies or are we just that money hungry and ego driven and wanting to make movies better than we think they were?

I tend to think the later more than something being broken...

Not to mention, our very thoughts on this simulation concept would of been safeguarded against to prevent us from compromising the simulation.

As well, this world alone is extremely cruel, dysfunctional, unhappy and selfish for it to function as a simulation of anything of value. It's like simulating a traffic accident, and unless we're being used for pharmaceuticals or ice cream we have some very skewed data.
edit on 24-10-2016 by Tranceopticalinclined because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 10:53 PM
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Let's invert the logic here!

Assume our future selves set out to create a Computer that was "God".

This massive future black hole computer would have the capability to know everything that was and would be.




For this ultimate future computer to simulate the whole Universe down to particle level it would have to have infinite amounts of processing power and memory.

But we are suspending disbelief here for a second and will assume it has been built in the future.




The first problem we run into is that random quantum fluctuations would accumulate and over little time completely distort the simulation.

Since we have infinite processing power we solve that by calculating every possibility, like in an EWG model of the Universe.



The second problem we run into is that per Gödel's theorem our computer simulation will be either incomplete or inconsistent.

The question is: what happens when the "Computer God" finds out its simulation of the Universe is incomplete?

Bang, bang!






Well, either another Big Bang or the computer reaches the conclusion that 0 = 1.

Which is mostly unacceptable.
edit on 24-10-2016 by RaymondCrump because: 0 = 1



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:40 AM
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originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: galien8

I dont think the simulation hypothesis is that far fetched. If you look at how far we have come in just 30 years its not hard to imagine what we may come up with 5 centuries from now.



Exactly, can be we are now merely in a boot process of a computer simulation intended to simulate the future, or the simulation is intended for Judgment Day to figure who did wrong to who



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:41 AM
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If computer emulation is omnipotent then male and female cannot exist. Because at the end of the day a positive charge needs a negative for ground and this truth means that a brain that understands male and female existence trumps the computer emulation because as good as computer can be an artificial intelligence will never sexually reproduce.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: galien8

This is not a simulation OR emulation, the original architects of such things are long gone, this is the product of them destroying themselves so as to not affect the outcomes, and after quite along time too.

And the various parts of the destroyed pieces have tried many times to reorganize the original form, thought, all the while not realizing that this CAN NEVER BE.



Interesting have you proof about that?



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:56 AM
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originally posted by: MRuss

a reply to: galien8

And then what is instinct? Love of sacred? Or even love? How about intuition?

Is there a god? Are you just saying God is a computer nerd?



You are the only living real soul, the others are merely projections, you got the universe to experiment with, this is the most megalomaniac theory in philosophy, I'm looking in people for something that is not there, I only know I got it



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:01 AM
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originally posted by: RaymondCrump
Let's invert the logic here!

Assume our future selves set out to create a Computer that was "God".

This massive future black hole computer would have the capability to know everything that was and would be.



Our universe emulation is not run on a finite automaton, the Turing machine can emulate the Turing machine



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:08 AM
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originally posted by: metalholic
If computer emulation is omnipotent then male and female cannot exist. Because at the end of the day a positive charge needs a negative for ground and this truth means that a brain that understands male and female existence trumps the computer emulation because as good as computer can be an artificial intelligence will never sexually reproduce.


Good point



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: MRuss




There's just something it seems to miss---it's so impersonal. Does anything really matter at all then If we're just Syms characters?


As opposed to being a meatbag walking this earth for just a minute before rotting away into nothing?



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Human computers and algorithms are rudimentary and barbaric in comparison.


That may be the case but at least you get results when you ask google a question.


Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.

ETA:

There are many times that people all over are being given answers and being talked to by God, and they ignore it and don't understand it. His message reaches people who are humble and meek and honest. They will know.

Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.


edit on 27-10-2016 by loveofneighbor because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Human computers and algorithms are rudimentary and barbaric in comparison.


That may be the case but at least you get results when you ask google a question.


Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.

ETA:

There are many times that people all over are being given answers and being talked to by God, and they ignore it and don't understand it. His message reaches people who are humble and meek and honest. They will know.

Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.



You need to incorporate hate too! Hate will make you whole again



edit on 2016-10-27 by galien8 because: picture problems



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:02 PM
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a reply to: galien8

Though I respect your POV, I inherently disagree with you. These are all "man" related definitions: universe, god, reality, matrix, even "emulation....."

IF God is real, we could hardly comprehend.....that's the whole point of that particular concept. We are limited by our sensory perceptions, and what we're given to see, and manipulated to believe. That's all "mankind" created. It has nothing, imho, whatsoever, to do with G-d.
regards,
tetra



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Human computers and algorithms are rudimentary and barbaric in comparison.


That may be the case but at least you get results when you ask google a question.


Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.

ETA:

There are many times that people all over are being given answers and being talked to by God, and they ignore it and don't understand it. His message reaches people who are humble and meek and honest. They will know.

Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.



I reposted your post for one reason: your use of the word: discernment.
I know daily I can't hope to know very much of anything at all, and in that regard, lies my true discernment, at the moment....as everything is always evolving. These explanations are mankind driven, by our very limited discernment, and wish to control our environs so we limit our pain and maximize our potential, when we hardly even know what, who or where we came from.....

Sometimes the most perceptive, honest thing is knowing you have little power to discern absolutely anything. Therefore, your mind remains open to all things, cognitively dissonant and paradoxical, until something finally hits you that makes sense. That discernment may be the key to all our struggles for understanding, purpose, randomness and purposefulness, chaos and order....
be well.
tetra



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Human computers and algorithms are rudimentary and barbaric in comparison.


That may be the case but at least you get results when you ask google a question.


Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.

ETA:

There are many times that people all over are being given answers and being talked to by God, and they ignore it and don't understand it. His message reaches people who are humble and meek and honest. They will know.

Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.



I reposted your post for one reason: your use of the word: discernment.
I know daily I can't hope to know very much of anything at all, and in that regard, lies my true discernment, at the moment....as everything is always evolving. These explanations are mankind driven, by our very limited discernment, and wish to control our environs so we limit our pain and maximize our potential, when we hardly even know what, who or where we came from.....

Sometimes the most perceptive, honest thing is knowing you have little power to discern absolutely anything. Therefore, your mind remains open to all things, cognitively dissonant and paradoxical, until something finally hits you that makes sense. That discernment may be the key to all our struggles for understanding, purpose, randomness and purposefulness, chaos and order....
be well.
tetra


No. Not all questions are mankind driven. Some are actually driven by God.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.


How do I get into the right heart condition? That seems like victim shaming.
I spend hours trying to be convinced of a god and haven't managed to get there. All I generally end up doing is teaching people of faith more about their own faith.



Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.


There is certainly a level of ego and even jealousy in those who reject god (at least for myself).
However I believe assuming the creator of the universe personally cares about you is the most arrogant claim that can be made.

But seriously, how do you get in the right heart condition? It seems I'm incapable of it.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Human computers and algorithms are rudimentary and barbaric in comparison.


That may be the case but at least you get results when you ask google a question.


Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.

ETA:

There are many times that people all over are being given answers and being talked to by God, and they ignore it and don't understand it. His message reaches people who are humble and meek and honest. They will know.

Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.



I reposted your post for one reason: your use of the word: discernment.
I know daily I can't hope to know very much of anything at all, and in that regard, lies my true discernment, at the moment....as everything is always evolving. These explanations are mankind driven, by our very limited discernment, and wish to control our environs so we limit our pain and maximize our potential, when we hardly even know what, who or where we came from.....

Sometimes the most perceptive, honest thing is knowing you have little power to discern absolutely anything. Therefore, your mind remains open to all things, cognitively dissonant and paradoxical, until something finally hits you that makes sense. That discernment may be the key to all our struggles for understanding, purpose, randomness and purposefulness, chaos and order....
be well.
tetra


No. Not all questions are mankind driven. Some are actually driven by God.


actually, god drives the sun. across the sky. everyone knows that.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Human computers and algorithms are rudimentary and barbaric in comparison.


That may be the case but at least you get results when you ask google a question.


Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.

ETA:

There are many times that people all over are being given answers and being talked to by God, and they ignore it and don't understand it. His message reaches people who are humble and meek and honest. They will know.

Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.



I reposted your post for one reason: your use of the word: discernment.
I know daily I can't hope to know very much of anything at all, and in that regard, lies my true discernment, at the moment....as everything is always evolving. These explanations are mankind driven, by our very limited discernment, and wish to control our environs so we limit our pain and maximize our potential, when we hardly even know what, who or where we came from.....

Sometimes the most perceptive, honest thing is knowing you have little power to discern absolutely anything. Therefore, your mind remains open to all things, cognitively dissonant and paradoxical, until something finally hits you that makes sense. That discernment may be the key to all our struggles for understanding, purpose, randomness and purposefulness, chaos and order....
be well.
tetra


No. Not all questions are mankind driven. Some are actually driven by God.


actually, god drives the sun. across the sky. everyone knows that.


Things are beyond your understanding. That is okay. You think you know a lot. And you probably do. But you actually know nothing in comparison. You have to know that if you know something.

And thus you know I can be right. And actually I am.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.


How do I get into the right heart condition? That seems like victim shaming.
I spend hours trying to be convinced of a god and haven't managed to get there. All I generally end up doing is teaching people of faith more about their own faith.



Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.


There is certainly a level of ego and even jealousy in those who reject god (at least for myself).
However I believe assuming the creator of the universe personally cares about you is the most arrogant claim that can be made.

But seriously, how do you get in the right heart condition? It seems I'm incapable of it.


It seems you are on the right path. I don't give the answers. And to preempt the question. I am not here to prove anything.

God will to you, when he will and if he wills.

The right heart condition? Be honest, humble, and hungry for truth.

Jehovah is there and he is listening. And he is answering.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
Google can't read your heart.

Ask the right questions with the right heart condition. You WILL get answers and the right ones.


How do I get into the right heart condition? That seems like victim shaming.
I spend hours trying to be convinced of a god and haven't managed to get there. All I generally end up doing is teaching people of faith more about their own faith.



Haughtiness and arrogance reject the true God. Because he is not those things. He is love. And communicates with us all the time. You just have to be able to discern it. People who have faith can discern it.


There is certainly a level of ego and even jealousy in those who reject god (at least for myself).
However I believe assuming the creator of the universe personally cares about you is the most arrogant claim that can be made.

But seriously, how do you get in the right heart condition? It seems I'm incapable of it.



This scripture came to my mind after thinking about your question:

(Mark 9:14-24) . . .When they came to the other disciples, they noticed a large crowd around them, and there were scribes arguing with them. 15 But as soon as all the crowd caught sight of him, they were astonished, and they ran up to him to greet him. 16 So he asked them: “What are you arguing about with them?” 17 And one of the crowd answered him: “Teacher, I brought my son to you because he has a speechless spirit. 18 Wherever it seizes him, it throws him to the ground, and he foams at the mouth and grinds his teeth and loses his strength. I asked your disciples to expel it, but they were not able to do so.” 19 In response he said to them: “O faithless generation, how long must I continue with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him to me.” 20 So they brought the boy to him, but at the sight of him, the spirit at once threw the child into convulsions. After falling on the ground, he kept rolling about, foaming at the mouth. 21 Then Jesus asked the father: “How long has this been happening to him?” He said: “From childhood on, 22 and often it would throw him into the fire and also into the water to destroy him. But if you can do anything, have pity on us and help us.” 23 Jesus said to him: “That expression, ‘If you can’! Why, all things are possible for the one who has faith.” 24 Immediately the child’s father cried out and said: “I have faith! Help me out where I need faith!”




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