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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Dark Ghost
In other words, you don't actually want to know the Islamic answers to the questions you asked me? So why even call me out to ask me questions if you're going to immediately dismiss my answers?
So I don't really get the point in this exchange. I'm not trying to convert you to Islam and I'm not even trying to convince you of anything. But at the same time, your personal philosophies aren't going to change my answers or opinions. So I don't really see a point in making this a debate, since clearly neither of us will change our perspectives.
If you're simply telling me your take on the issues mentioned in your questions, that's one thing. But if you're going to try to convince me that my religion's teachings are wrong & basically preach your beliefs to me, then we should just agree to disagree.
originally posted by: Malocchio
a reply to: cooperton
You asked ''Who is the Mother?"
No doubt Catholic theology is Mary is the Mother of God and Queen of Heaven.
In the pre Judaic Semitic religion the Mother of Gods was Lady Asherah who was also worshipped by the Babylonians and in the Temple of Solomon as the consort of Yahweh while to the Babylonians she was the consort of Baal.
Also known as Ishtar and a hundred other names she was abolished by Josiah from the Temple along with the Brazen Serpent and Judaism became a male God only religion.
God got a divorce I guess.
The funny thing is long before Christ came he was being worshipped as the Son of Ishtar, Tammuz, the ressurected Nimrod or Baal, by Jewish women who "wept for Tammuz" which means twin and is the month Gemini also.
Tammuz twin, Christ, also had a twin..
named Tammus or Judas called Thomas or Didymus both meaning twin.
So you probably have more questions now like was Mary the mother of Thomas.
I believe she was, I am almost certain she had a son named Judas Thomas.
Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus.
originally posted by: CaticusMaximus
a reply to: Xeven
"I am exploring my spirituality and trying to understand"
I applaud you on this, and I urge you to continue doing so until you die!
However, the next part isnt going to be so nice.
Take the bible you are reading, put it on the bookshelf, and leave it there. It is one single mythology that unfortunately has dominated most of the world with 3 different iterations of itself. There is 100x more to learn than is in that book, and a lot of it is of much higher quality.
"False idol" basically means an old god/goddess that the new mythology of christianity replaced. Obviously trying to get as many people to stop worshipping, or even thinking about the old gods in any positive light, they were all turned into "false idols" and demons.
Mary, is the end result of two things: a seething hatred of the Divine Feminine, and the inability to totally eradicate it from peoples minds. Mary basically is a heavily reduced version of the Greek Isis whose worship went well into the first millennia in christian controlled territory. Greek Isis is of course the the Egyptian Aset, who is almost certainly (and IMO, is) the Sumerian Inanna.
Following this chain, you have Inanna, the original "Queen of Heaven", who in Her earliest forms was basically all-powerful, and in later forms became less and less powerful with society beginning to favour male deities and patriarchy over matriarchy. Slowly the legends built that She was immature, arrogant, a killer of men, etc, until you get the Gilgamesh rant about Her.
She goes through various names down through time, until legend finally gets Inanna, Queen of Heaven who answers to no male authority figure, more or less "God", to Mary, a simple subordinate who can do nothing but pray to the new all powerful male god and beg him on your behalf, has absolutely no power of her own, is no longer even recognized as a deity, and her list of traits whittled down to I guess what patriarchy really wants all women to be, and only be: a mother who yields 100% to the father and has no power of her own.
But why have her even be an interceder? Her very existence, as some form of Divine Feminine, no matter how chained and bound, is still anathema to some. Thus, she is labelled "false idol" now, with all the rest of the ancient gods.
I say all this to you, to get you to start thinking about the situation very broadly, and to pique your curiosity into just how things managed to get to where they are now, legend/myth/religion wise. Things are not as they seem.
Explore, discover, question, and never believe anyone or any institution who tries to coerce you into a certain belief using fear as their delivery tool, no matter how polished or covered up the fear is.
To your second question, this may be getting beyond the scope of what you are ready for, but "God", as in yahweh, is not the creator. Yahweh is not a/the primordial/cosmic being. Yahweh is little more than a usurper and an over-bloated psychic parasite (check my signature link)
Primordial beings, of which there is probably only one and logically would be either feminine or dual natured, is the only being who is omniscient. Even the gods and goddesses are not that, though their knowledge and power is beyond our mortal comprehension and their limits farther than we could ever possibly imagine, they are effectively omniscient, but technically not. Even they themselves grow and learn.
So with that, the question becomes "why did the primordial being create sin?"
The somewhat silly answer is, because without Sin (Sumerian Nanna, the moon god, and probably the moon itself), the Earth would be barren because it would have an unstabilized wobble and unpredictable seasonality, preventing complex plant life from evolving.
The more to the point answer is, She/It didnt, because "sin" was created by man to control man.
I'm sure GOD gets a chuckle from billions of religion discussions HIS children have had over the centuries.
A Psalm for a Royal Coronation 1 Why do the nations protest and the peoples conspire in vain? 2 Kings on earth rise up and princes plot together against the Lord and against his anointed one: 3 “Let us break their shackles and cast off their chains from us!” 4 The one enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord derides them, 5 Then he speaks to them in his anger, in his wrath he terrifies them: 6 “I myself have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain.” 7 I will proclaim the decree of the Lord, he said to me, “You are my son; today I have begotten you. 8 Ask it of me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance, and, as your possession, the ends of the earth. 9 With an iron rod you will shepherd them, like a potter’s vessel you will shatter them.” 10 And now, kings, give heed; take warning, judges on earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear; exult with trembling, Accept correction lest he become angry and you perish along the way when his anger suddenly blazes up. Blessed are all who take refuge in him!