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What are YOU going to do if Hillary/TRUMP is elected president?

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posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:31 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Electoral college is what I meant to state.




posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:32 AM
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originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Let me rephrase on MAD. It was an implied doctrine which was adopted in the 1960s. You may as well call it policy not on paper. No one will nuke each other YET, but rest assured both sides will commit to it if/when the time comes. It may be after my lifetime or before, the chance will always be there even if you think it will never happen.


Stop contradicting yourself. You can't be fearful of something that isn't likely to happen and make policy decisions and election decisions based on things that have very low probably of occurring.

You're more likely to see large scale chemical and biological warfare before any nukes leave the silo.

~Tenth



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:32 AM
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originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Electoral college is what I meant to state.


Oh, yes that I agree with.

Representative democracy, with a popular vote, and such is much better
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~Tenth



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: 4N0M4LY

Bull.

Russia does not play games like that? Nonsense. Oligarchies of Russian origin control vast reserves of resource and therefore power, and any time there are private involvements of that nature, no matter how they are dressed up, you have gamesmanship. Make no mistake, Putin is as owned as any other world leader, no more his own master than anyone working in politics in the whole world.

Of course they play games. They played games with the Ukraine, and it just so happens that their regular chess partner, their regular sideshow accomplice, the USA and other western allies, played it too. No one wins, its all for show, but they play just like the rest of the power structures we are shown play off against one another. The distractions happen to work, but it does not mean they are anything but distractions.

Russia, ISIS, the players change, the aim remains the same, keep people afraid to change their minds, keep people afraid to muzzle their intelligence services, corral their military industrial complex, and too blinkered to see that the real enemy has already purchased their nation out from under the people living in it, has held sway in it for a hundred or more years, and shows no sign of ceasing its efforts to skin the nation, to sell its pelt on the open market and shed not a single tear for the blood that was shed to make it happen.

The crucial thing here, is not to rest easy knowing that everyone is playing the game, but to insist that your nations participation in the game ceases, REGARDLESS of the behaviour of either those who own its resources and infrastructure, OR those who have been shown to you as enemies, when all they are themselves is pawns. Step yourself out of the game, clean up your house, or at least make an effort, a noticeable effort to do so. Vote according to who sees the game for what it is and wants no part of it. Vote according to who is least likely to make war on their fellow man, simply for profit. Vote according to who will take control of events away from the owners, and give it back to the people. Vote for a candidate who will see your nations resources returned to the ownership of the people, not the state, and not a Federal Reserve Bank, run by shadow brokers, powermongers, and game players. Vote for a candidate who will promote education of those who consistently allow themselves to be turned against their fellow human beings, a sort of community service for bigots and phobics. Vote for a candidate who is better than the game, too moral to play it, and too wise to be fooled by it.

Or, accept that nothing will change, and doom your people to a dark future, by accepting the hegemony.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:38 AM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Let me rephrase on MAD. It was an implied doctrine which was adopted in the 1960s. You may as well call it policy not on paper. No one will nuke each other YET, but rest assured both sides will commit to it if/when the time comes. It may be after my lifetime or before, the chance will always be there even if you think it will never happen.


Stop contradicting yourself. You can't be fearful of something that isn't likely to happen and make policy decisions and election decisions based on things that have very low probably of occurring.

You're more likely to see large scale chemical and biological warfare before any nukes leave the silo.

~Tenth


So your saying these two governments wasted millions of dollars of nuclear capable missiles just to sit in the silos as a deterrent? Just because we could? If that is the case then the hundreds of nuclear missile specialists and Cheyenne mountain employees arent needed if that is the case.

Chemical and Bio Weapons are cheap and easty to make. Of course they will be used more often.
edit on 18-10-2016 by 4N0M4LY because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: 4N0M4LY


So your saying these two governments wasted millions of dollars of nuclear capable missiles just to sit in the silos as a deterrent?


It's not wasted. The arms race bankrupted the Soviet Union. Mutually Assured Destruction has prevented a head on conflict between the United States and Russia for 75 years. Hardly a "waste."



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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So your saying these two governments wasted millions of dollars of nuclear capable missiles just to sit in the silos as a deterrent?


Yes, the last 60 years I would use as evidence for that. If we made them, to use them, we would have. Find me another weapons platform that the US or Russia haven't used for 60 years....


ust because we could? If that is the case then the hundreds of nuclear missile specialists and Cheyenne mountain employees arent needed if that is the case.


No of course they are, because we modernize and have to take very special care of these things we chose to create.


Chemical and Bio Weapons are cheap and easty to make. Of course they will be used more often.


So why are you arguing with me?

I just don't know what your argument is? You don't really have one. I'm making statements, you're not arguing those statements, you make statements in support of my own.

Being afraid of Nuclear war is nonsense, if you understand history and the facts.

~Tenth
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posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: 4N0M4LY

Bull.

Russia does not play games like that? Nonsense. Oligarchies of Russian origin control vast reserves of resource and therefore power, and any time there are private involvements of that nature, no matter how they are dressed up, you have gamesmanship. Make no mistake, Putin is as owned as any other world leader, no more his own master than anyone working in politics in the whole world.

Of course they play games. They played games with the Ukraine, and it just so happens that their regular chess partner, their regular sideshow accomplice, the USA and other western allies, played it too. No one wins, its all for show, but they play just like the rest of the power structures we are shown play off against one another. The distractions happen to work, but it does not mean they are anything but distractions.

Russia, ISIS, the players change, the aim remains the same, keep people afraid to change their minds, keep people afraid to muzzle their intelligence services, corral their military industrial complex, and too blinkered to see that the real enemy has already purchased their nation out from under the people living in it, has held sway in it for a hundred or more years, and shows no sign of ceasing its efforts to skin the nation, to sell its pelt on the open market and shed not a single tear for the blood that was shed to make it happen.

The crucial thing here, is not to rest easy knowing that everyone is playing the game, but to insist that your nations participation in the game ceases, REGARDLESS of the behaviour of either those who own its resources and infrastructure, OR those who have been shown to you as enemies, when all they are themselves is pawns. Step yourself out of the game, clean up your house, or at least make an effort, a noticeable effort to do so. Vote according to who sees the game for what it is and wants no part of it. Vote according to who is least likely to make war on their fellow man, simply for profit. Vote according to who will take control of events away from the owners, and give it back to the people. Vote for a candidate who will see your nations resources returned to the ownership of the people, not the state, and not a Federal Reserve Bank, run by shadow brokers, powermongers, and game players. Vote for a candidate who will promote education of those who consistently allow themselves to be turned against their fellow human beings, a sort of community service for bigots and phobics. Vote for a candidate who is better than the game, too moral to play it, and too wise to be fooled by it.

Or, accept that nothing will change, and doom your people to a dark future, by accepting the hegemony.



The only part about these statements on who to vote for that will agree with the ideals we strive for is that there is no way to hold any politician accountable for any promise they make.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:45 AM
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Hillary the criminal as POTUS is game over...
For me it will sign that the Elite can't be defeated and evil has won.

So :


Do what thou wilt



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:01 AM
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Hillary Clinton on the Throne:

Means it will be business as usual in Washington. The military industrial complex will still continue to drive the ship and hold the purse strings. And the rest of the snakes will still continue to have themselves a comfortable little nest to lay their eggs in Washington. Clinton depends on them to keep her and her buddies in power.


Donald Trump on the Throne:

Means it will be business as usual in Washington, but with a slight difference. The military industrial complex will still continue to drive the ship and hold the purse strings. And the rest of the snakes will still continue to have themselves a comfortable little nest to lay their eggs in Washington. Trump depends on them to put him and his buddies in power.

Now here's where the difference comes in: The up-until-now slow corporate takeover of Washington will be amped up tenfold under Trump, he WILL (for his own and his offsprings' interests) increase the strength of corporations to further empower their oligarchy over the country.

Trump is also a rogue narcissist with an uncontrollable mouth which also means he has the potential to inadvertently cause some serious chaos in the foreign relations arena, as well as civil chaos on the homefront.




So, to summarize....


Corrupt Nutjob

vs

Corrupt Rogue Nutjob






posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:10 AM
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Start a "foundation" or LLC. Don't pay any taxes. Open a casino to lose money, get out before it caves in. Beg and plead to countries to donate to my foundation. Buy a bunch of cheap worthless aids drugs to show the goodness in my heart.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: 4N0M4LY

I never keeled before why would I kneel now?



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:17 AM
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If hillary gets elected I will look forward to four more years of the erosion of our civil liberties, most importantly the end of the second amendment. But hey, its just one amendment, right? Oh wait, the press seems to have been coerced. But its just two amendments, right?

We have spread ourselves too thin and shown too much weakness in the global theater to consider ourselves safe any more. The idea of MAD used to mean something. But we face a different kind of enemy now, in addition to the traditional foes of years past. You can not win a violent war against a martyr. If he kills you - he wins. If you kill him - he wins. That is disaster on a global scale.

Years ago China said we could not win a traditional war against them. We would run out of bullets before they ran out of soldiers. They also said invading the US would be a fools game - there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Until hillary gets in office. Some people think we have no stomach for the use of nuclear weapons now that the enemy has them too. And these same people believe the enemy feels the same way. That is a mistake. It is not a question of if nuclear weapons will be used again but when. When a nation of strong beliefs feels so put upon that they fear the end of their way of life is imminent, what is there to lose? No soldier goes in to war hoping to die in battle, save for the aforementioned martyrs. But when death is imminent, the true valor of the brave and courageous becomes evident in their actions. Often deleterious to themselves but heroic none the less. At these times, when death is accepted, is when we are most vulnerable, and most dangerous. We are human. We are subject to the frailty of life and the fear of its loss. And nothing is more dangerous than a creature who believes death is at hand.

It would take far more than hillary for me to believe death is around the corner. But with hillary in office, we will face far more than her poor judgement and failed policies. We will face enmity the likes of which we have not seen. It is not hillary that I am fearful of, but rather her weak self-serving leadership and the way it will embolden our enemies.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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To be honest, I think I will truly enjoy the epic meltdown of Trump, his media stooges, /r/The_Donald and every online Trump supporter... and then I'll cry because we still end up with a terrible President.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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Hillary will probably win.

That being said, I will never acknowledge her as president. She is a vile, corrupt, evil, disgusting person.

If Trump is elected? We'll endure it.


It seems every election we get people who want to raise taxes, take away freedoms, restrict rights. For either "party".

Politicians disgust me. Some more than others.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Bigburgh

Mixing reps in this state [ Illinois ] is pretty much dead. The Democrats in Chicago and Springfield run the show. We finally got a Republican governor that seems to be half way honest [ for illinois mind you ] and has actually took a stand for our Rights. What would be very interesting is a 50/50 split in both houses, instead of the seesaw of power that's been going on. Although, even when Obama had the power for 2 years, for all his "big plans and shovel ready jobs", he still didn't get anything done. They are there to help themselves and make connections. We are an afterthought.


Precisely why we need to vote out the bad, and keep doing so till the system works. It might take forever if ever. But it's the only right we have. Beside impeachment.
I realize you can't go straight to the top and lop of the chicken's head. That's why i keep insisting on starting at the local levels.

Start by pecking at their feet till you undermine their platforms, until they fall.

Besides, anyone who is smart and capable enough that we really need won't run for POTUS. They are simply too smart & egoless to run for POTUS. Only those who are seeking the title to soothe their ego run regardless of the simple fact that they are either incapable or under-educated (or both) for the position.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:44 AM
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when he said joseph built the pyramids to store grain... that's not IQ genius, that's an idiot.


in four years, we can all try again. though, who would want the job is beyond me...

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posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 09:19 AM
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If Trump wins...I don't want to live here anymore but I may have to anyway. I imagine he would try to do the dynasty thing with his kids so we'd see a lot of Trumps assuming we were not a bunch of ashes and cinders. There would be awesome parades and indoctrination requirements and schools would teach pseudo-science and women's healthcare and freedom would be greatly reduced, journalists would go to jail as would political rivals, democracy would be rigged and Trump would gild the White House and put his name in giant gold letters on the lawn. (Only some of this is facetious)

If Hillary wins, I expect a normal Presidency. You know, some mistakes and a couple scandals and America is still intact and while bruised and battered to some small degree as we always are, we will be one or two degrees more liberal until the mid term reshuffle. The MIC would still be happy. We might know more about UFOs and UAPs. (Pretty sure this is how it would go)

I also anticipate that my kid will continue to have healthcare without us going bankrupt, though I'm not so sure about that under Trump.

AB



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 09:36 AM
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What are YOU going to do if Hillary/TRUMP is elected president?


who cares?....

It's just one day at a time in paradise....





posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 09:38 AM
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As selfish as it sounds, I just want government to leave me the hell alone.

I come from a libertarian philosophy (always have, just didn't realize it until the 2012 election), so in answer to your question about what I will do, I will just try to keep my head down, continue my trek of getting out of debt, and then that will open up the fiscal freedom that my family and I deserve. I will always do what's best for my family before anything larger--it all starts there for me and my wife.

That said, my wife and I are both military veterans and have very strong opinions and reactions when corruption rears its ugly head. Corruption is already beyond passive acceptability, and it is now (and has been, but the frequency and intensity is increasing) bleeding into nearly every aspect of government, and therefore, my and my family's life collective life.

I admittedly will not be a leader in any sort of rebellion, but I'll tell you what, being a soldier in one is not out of question for me--I have the skills and the government-induced anger and frustration, but I would need to be 100% certain that such a dramatic action would be in the best interest of my family.

In the meantime, I will continue petitioning my congressman (Thomas Massie) and only good senator (Rand Paul) to fight to return freedoms to the American people, because that's the process that we are afforded with the current system. Anything beyond that is a wait-and-see possibility.



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