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Report: U.S. can't win Iraq war

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posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 03:43 AM
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Baghdad, Iraq, Jan. 22 (UPI) — An analysis of a U.S. newspaper group concludes the United States is headed toward defeat in the Iraqi war.




The Knight Ridder Newspapers analysis of U.S. government statistics shows the Sunni Muslim insurgency in Iraq steadily gaining on the U.S. military, the Detroit Free Press, owned by Knight Ridder, reported Saturday.

Among factors cited:

-- U.S. military fatalities from hostile acts rose from an average of about 17 per month in May 2003 to a current average of 82 per month;

-- The average number of U.S. soldiers wounded by hostile acts per month has spiraled from 142 to 808 during the same period;

-- Attacks on the U.S.-led coalition since November 2003 rose from 735 a month to 2,400 in October;

-- The average number of mass-casualty bombings has grown from zero in the first few months of the U.S.-led occupation to an average of 13 per month; and

-- Electricity production has been below prewar levels since October.

"All the trend lines we can identify are all in the wrong direction," said Michael O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institution, a Washington policy research organization.


source: washington.times

"Electricity production has been below prewar levels since October."
is this the way of rebuilding post-war iraq?
no wonder people in this land are angry, since nothing changed from the end of the war. just another proof, that this war in iraq is a total waste of lives and money.




posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 04:03 AM
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yeah keep thinking that souljah



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

yeah keep thinking that souljah

hey there.
it is one of your newspapers that published this article.
and it is about your people. they keep dying in a foreign land, and you keep pumping your ego higher. i dont find anything funny in that article, just sad facts of war. and if that amuses you, you are one sick puppy.

"who gives a fu** about electrical chrisis in iraq, as long as the oil flows into our tankers!"
right?



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
"who gives a fu** about electrical chrisis in iraq, as long as the oil flows into our tankers!"
right?


Now your getting it!



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

yeah keep thinking that souljah

Have to say the evidence is there.


"who gives a fu** about electrical chrisis in iraq, as long as the oil flows into our tankers!"
right?

This is an attitude i find not very hard to believe.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 04:39 AM
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deaths dont determine losses, if that was true the insurgents wouldve been wiped out by now since 10 times more of them have been killed.....



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 05:26 AM
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Deaths do determine losses. We will run out of troops far earlier then the terroist will run out of martyrs. Its a proven fact. I say nuke the dirty mofos.


[edit on 1/24/2005 by AndrewTB]



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by AndrewTB
Deaths do determine losses. We will run out of troops far earlier then the terroist will run out of martyrs. Its a proven fact. I say nuke the dirty mofos.


[edit on 1/24/2005 by AndrewTB]


Who are you going to nuke exactly, where will you drop it? The only sentence worthy of your post was

"We will run out of troops far earlier then the terroist will run out of martyrs. Its a proven fact"

This is why the whole idea was idiotic in the first place.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 06:09 AM
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How can so many people whom enjoy freedom deny the same for the Iraqi people? Is freedom only for those "born" into it?

The US can't "win" the war in Iraq, only the Iraqi's can if they stand up to the tyrants that want to keep thier country captive. Terrorist are killing more Iraqi's now than US troops. Free elections are worth fighting for not just because you happen to be born into it...............


Sep

posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
How can so many people whom enjoy freedom deny the same for the Iraqi people? Is freedom only for those "born" into it?


Freedom or democracy as one of the middle eastern women says "is not something you import like merchandise. It is not a gift you can give to another nation, or something you can impose with bombs."

What you have given the Iraqis is not freedom. They will not have a democracy. It would have been best if at the start you didnt support the dictator, that way the people would have been able to overthrow him, and creat a true democracy of their own. What you have given them will last until you are there. When you leave, what then? Iraqis do not believe in democracy yet because they have not fought for it, and they will overthrow this "freedom" sooner than you can imagine.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by AndrewTB
I say nuke the dirty mofos.

[edit on 1/24/2005 by AndrewTB]


I didnt have to look at your profile to guess that you were an uneducated american (not meaning to imply that all americans are uneducated). The US is signing a death warrent if they nuke the middle east. Every terrorist and insurgent will be headed to the US with any type of dirty bomb/chemical/biological weapon they can get their hands on. Not to mention the fact that the Iraqi, and probably afgahni citizens public revolt and overthrow the occupying US forces. It wouldent supprise me if another country in the 'axis of evil' had a nuke or two 'go missing' and fall into terrorist hands due to fear of the US using nukes on them.

I would love to see the look on your face when American falls.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 06:52 AM
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[The US is signing a death warrent if they nuke the middle east. Every terrorist and insurgent will be headed to the US with any type of dirty bomb/chemical/biological weapon they can get their hands on. Not to mention the fact that the Iraqi, and probably afgahni citizens public revolt and overthrow the occupying US forces. It wouldent supprise me if another country in the 'axis of evil' had a nuke or two 'go missing' and fall into terrorist hands due to fear of the US using nukes on them.]

So what is different here. There has been a Jihad against the US for years. The issues you "proclaim" have been happening for years.........

Perhaps it time to end Islam's ability to fight anyone. No terrorist then no ability to fight. No more source of human filth.

The only way these cowards are allowed to fight is because they are allowed to live. If they even think about raising a finger, "burn" it off with 10 mega tons.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ishes


I would love to see the look on your face when American falls.


People in hell would love to have a glass of ice water too, but neither of you will get what you want.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by AndrewTB
far earlier then the terroist will run out of martyrs.


The insurgants aren't martyrs. They are murdering their
own people, they are standing in the way of freedom for
their own people. They are thieves and murderers and
definately are not martyrs.

They are also idiots. The longer they murder and blow
up pipelines, the longer America will have to be in the country.
If they REALLY wanted us to be gone, they'd quit killing Iraqis
and blowing up pipelines that the Iraqis sell their oil out of.
(AND they'd quit murderering aid workers who are there helping
the children and poor people! Not exactly the actions of true
'martyrs' ... is it??)



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 07:52 AM
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This whole thread is a wet pipe dream of liberals and anti-Americans who salivate at the idea of the U.S. losing a war. Get over it! The Iraqis want to be free and the so-called insurgents are a small band of losers made up mainly of foreign terrorists. The same group said U.S. policy in Europe post WWII would fail because the Europeans were too stupid to want peace, we see what happened to that logic.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by namehere
deaths dont determine losses, if that was true the insurgents wouldve been wiped out by now since 10 times more of them have been killed.....


This is what dictates the success of an insurgency, when an organized paid military force like the US military sustains causalities, it loses power and moral among the troops, loses some ability to hire more soldiers back home due to concern for personal safety which in turn slowly dissolves public support for continued action.

Whereas an un-paid widespread resistance movement actually gain's moral from sustaining causalities (martyrdom) causing them to fight all the harder. Resistance movements start off small and rely on the people *affected by a common enemy to swell it's ranks. What this comes down to it that the more you shoot or bomb and the more people's lives you negatively affect in Iraq will only serve to benefit the resistance.

*Affected does not always mean death or injury; it could range from mental scars to the slightest miscommunication or betrayal. This is why an insurgency must be treated very carefully

[edit on 24-1-2005 by Johnny Redburn]



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 08:30 AM
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Well Souljah's peice here is right out of Al Jazeera, in fact Im sure they would hire him on the spot. Your wrong here Souljah, in the end the Iraqis will win. The terrorists in Iraq made a mistake of attacking civilians with car-bombs and morters....instead of focusing on US soldiers.

A successful resistance needs the support of the people...and most Shiite Iraqis can't and won't support groups that drops morters on schools and crowded shopping centers.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
This whole thread is a wet pipe dream of liberals and anti-Americans who salivate at the idea of the U.S. losing a war. Get over it! The Iraqis want to be free and the so-called insurgents are a small band of losers made up mainly of foreign terrorists. The same group said U.S. policy in Europe post WWII would fail because the Europeans were too stupid to want peace, we see what happened to that logic.


I've read several reports that the foreign origin resistance in Fallujah was anywhere between less than five or two percent of the total rebellion forces. Making at least 95% of the resistance Iraqis. This information came from a senior U.S. CENTCOM military man.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:03 AM
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@ the article

Technically, we already "won" the war. We sucessfully invaded the country (to a fault in that we did it way to fast) and ended Saddam's regime.
This insurgency...we could easily wipe it out. However it's not our job to "win" it, it's the Iraqis (plus our hands are tied by the international community, real Iraqi people, and the folks at home - which isn't a bad thing. It would take much longer to rebuild, cost a whole lot more, and a lot more real Iraqis would die).



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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There ya go ... Newspapers ... bash when ever you get tired of something ... Look at what they are doing over there and look at how many people they are killing. AND YES IT IS STILL GOOD TO KILL BAD PEOPLE !!!! YOU STUPID F$%#(&S ... IT IS REDICULOUS ALL OF YOU LIBERALS OUT THERE. Go F&$%&ING LIVE IN INDIA WITH GHANDI FOR GOD SAKE. LETS SEND SADAAM TO TRIAL I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS LIKE 10 everyone wanted him then in Desert Storm when they used Mustard Gas. Everyone wanted to kill him we catch them then what do we do do stupid crap like we are doing. If we would have had his killed... we wouldn't have had to worry about what he deserves being brouhgt to him.


But ... we got to keep growing in this ... HUMAN world. It is funny even animals realize that they have to die. We see whales beach themselves trying to push their dead to the shallow end of the pool. And they end up dying. You think we could learn from that. Or even if we could learn from the Lion's how they chase the weakest one out of the herd and just don't get to eat the strongest nicest bull.

[edit on 1/24/2005 by bet555]



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