originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: alldaylong
Will We Ever Have The Answer To How The Universe Was Created ?
Because the Universe is/was never 'created'.
Philosophically and scientifically, 'creation' is impossible!
It is just a self-justifying and ignorant 'belief' programmed into religious 'drones'.
People create stuff all the time. It is the main process by which new things happen.
Please explain why you say creation is impossible, what is your line of reasoning?
'Creation', as I use it, and as it is used when referring to a 'beginning' of the Universe theory, means to 'create'/manufacture 'something' from
'nothing'. An impossibility in many 'lines of reasoning'.
First, there is no 'nothing' from which to manufacture/boink into existence a 'material/something' Universe.
Quantum tells us that the Universe, and all it's features are ultimately constructed of 'Mind', 'imagination'.
It also tells us that 'time' and 'motion' are not possible, ultimately, as Zeno has long ago shown.
"The Laws of Nature are not rules controlling the metamorphosis of what is, into what will be. They are descriptions of patterns that exist, all at
once... " - Genius; the Life and Science of Richard Feynman
All 'eternity' at once; Here! Now!!
There is only one moment (Planck moment; 10^-43/sec; "almost" one billion trillion trillion trillionths of a second!!!) of the entirety of
All existence, ever, is one, literally, 'timeless' moment!
"Reality is a synchrony of moments!"
A 'Planck moment' is not
a measure of 'time', it does not exist long enough to have any 'duration'.
Thus, existence/Universe/Reality, the sum total of all 'moments', is literally timeless!
String together every moment ever; 0+0+0+0.... =0!
All of existence is the Singularity!
What existence is, is a moment of Self Knowledge!
Not anything is 'created', what exists is 'perceived'.
A 'moment' is a unit of 'perception', a 'percept'.
'Thought' perceives the 'appearance' of motion and time. But it is just an 'appearance'. All such dualities, necessary to perceive that which we
imagine exists, does not reflect the Reality in toto, merely the unique bit that is perceived/experienced "at the moment"!
Reality/Truth cannot be comprehensively perceived by any single unique Perspective but ALL Perspectives together, Here! Now!
"The complete Universe (Reality/Truth/God/'Self!'/Tao/Brahman... or any feature herein...) can be completely defined/described as the synchronous
sum-total of all Perspectives!" - Book of Fudd
The single One Universal Consciousness, for one moment, perceives/experiences/Knows OurSelf!
There is no 'thing' being created from nothing.
It is all just Mind, never anything else! The duality of 'thought' sees the appearance of 'things'. An artifact of our 'magnification' makes these
empty quantum information waves appear to collapse into specific things. That is but an appearance, not Reality.
So, existence, being a momentary Universal Self Knowledge, doesn't require any 'creation', any more than you 'create' a unicorn when you close your
That is a good example, the Universe is 'created' no different than closing your eyes and imagining a unicorn.
Did you really 'create' a unicorn?
No, you 'imagined' it.
Just as we unique Conscious Perspectives (Souls) imagine the quantum undifferentiated 'potential' as actually 'differentiated', which it never is,
Not anything exists to have been 'created', we merely peer into the Cloud wit out severely truncated Perspective and imagine/perceive that which we
For a moment.
Creation/destruction, good/evil, right/wrong, life/death, space/time... all exist in the duality of 'thought'.
Beyond 'thought', there is no such duality.
Beyond 'thought', there is no Universe of 'things' to wonder where 'they' came from!
No 'things', no need to posit a 'creator'.
'Causality' is a(-n appearance, a) failed theory, and with no 'causality', there can be no 'creation' (causing to exist).
What is, is not 'created', it is 'perceived'.
Existence/Reality/Truth is all inclusive!
That which is perceived exists.
That which exists is perceived.
Not a thing exists (notice that I didn't say that 'nothing' exists, 'cause it don't! *__- ) that is not perceived!
Not a thing is perceived that does not exist!
There is no, nor can there be, any evidence to the contrary!
What do we perceive?
(Disclaimer; I am using words and thoughts, all dualistic, to 'intimate' the Singularity of a Holistic Reality...)