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Donald Trump just lost his lead in the only major national poll left to show him ahead

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posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 02:12 AM
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So it has happened, Trump has fallen behind in the only poll that has consistently had him in front.

www.businessinsider.com.au...


The only major national poll that consistently showed Donald Trump ahead of Hillary Clinton has, with the wave of polls swinging dramatically in favour of the Democratic nominee, also has shifted in her favour.

On Wednesday, Trump trailed Clinton in the Los Angeles Times/University of Southern California by 0.4 points. It was the first time he was behind in the poll since September 11 — ending a monthlong stretch in front in the head-to-head matchup.


Seems like he's definitely on the nose after the disasters of the last couple of weeks.


Trump’s support has collapsed in the days that followed Friday’s shocking revelations from a leaked tape, in which he boasted he could “grab” women “by the p—y” because “when you’re a star they let you do it.”

Clinton has gained nearly 2 points on Trump in the RealClearPolitics average of several polls in the days since the 2005 tape leaked. She leads by an average of 6.2 points in the head-to-head battle.

Other polls released Wednesday found Trump well behind Clinton in the key swing state of Ohio and tied in Utah, a state that has traditionally voted for Republican presidential candidates.


I guess all the polls are fake though, isn't that what the true believers say?




posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 02:16 AM
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Hold up there buckaroo. I just called my buddy in Florida and an old college roommate in Maine and an ex wife in California and they are all still on board the crazytrain. So there you are Trump still has my polling numbers to tout if he wants to.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 02:18 AM
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a reply to: cuckooold

If he was in the lead in all the polls his supporters would be accepting those polls but Yes they are already gearing up to scream "Fake" and "Cheat" when the fact is Trump has brought himself down.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 02:46 AM
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ive been saying on facebook since last year that clinton will be president. Its an obvious foregone conclusion to anyone who understands the system. BTW this was during the very beginning when all the candidates were still in the race. Im not a prophet....i just understand very well how the elite works and who they want to keep their plans on track. Hillary is their man.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 03:16 AM
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a reply to: cuckooold

Hard to believe anything you read anymore,the supposed top newspapers are even guilty of using tabloid style news,and purposely airing ,suspect news,so who the hell knows anymore,the more I know,the more I don't know



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 03:55 AM
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Actually latimes newest poll has Trump back in the lead and in the new rasmussen poll trump is up by 2 points from being down by 5 points in the previous poll so he gained 7 points.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 03:56 AM
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a reply to: Oldtimer2

Right now I trust statisticians more than any politician... They are usually very good in predicting.

Hey, they got so good in doing this (within .5% of the official result!) that we could just drop the whole process of voting.. Joking.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 04:37 AM
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a reply to: cuckooold

I read why.

They dropped off one young black man who is going to vote trump.

The la times gives more weight to certain voters. This voter has been on the daily poll for months.

They dropped him off and now Clinton is in the lead.

All these polls weight certain data more than others. So those that are saying they are all rigged are correct in a manner of speaking.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 06:25 AM
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Yea you just keep believing that ! You must believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny too. SMH.

Pennsylvania had almost 300 thousand people registering to vote for the first time and they registered republican. They had almost 100 thousand people as of today switch from democrat to republican.
We work within the community and county I can count on one hand the votes for lying corrupt Hillary we are fed up and we are NOT listening to the lies these news stations are spewing I am calling BULL.... One Hillary sign to thousands of Trump signs EVERYWHERE our eyes are wide open... November 8th is coming! I am hearing even the Amish are coming out to vote for Donald Trump and that's something really really big here in Pa.
edit on 03/30/09 by starlitestarbrite because: Who cares.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: justneo

Actually LA Times has them tied.

On every other poll Clinton is ahead by at least five and as much as eleven.

www.realclearpolitics.com...
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posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: starlitestarbrite

Polls of likely voters show PA going to Clinton.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 08:13 AM
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Don't worry... I'm sure lots more leaks will come up in the next couple of days/weeks on both sides. Those numbers will bounce from one side to the other based on who they polled. If they polled next to me, they'd have 99% Trump.

Either way, I see Trump winning. There are so many people who are silent about voting for Trump because of the backlash they could get into.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: starlitestarbrite
Yea you just keep believing that ! You must believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny too. SMH.

Pennsylvania had almost 300 thousand people registering to vote for the first time and they registered republican. They had almost 100 thousand people as of today switch from democrat to republican.
We work within the community and county I can count on one hand the votes for lying corrupt Hillary we are fed up and we are NOT listening to the lies these news stations are spewing I am calling BULL.... One Hillary sign to thousands of Trump signs EVERYWHERE our eyes are wide open... November 8th is coming! I am hearing even the Amish are coming out to vote for Donald Trump and that's something really really big here in Pa.


Well.. the numbers say otherwise..

Just looking at the prumary results tells quite the story.

Trump got a larger % of his primary viters than Clinton did.. but Clinton still beat Trump in actual votes..

Theres more Dems in PA..

Trump had 892,702 votes
Clinton had 918,619 votes

If Trump has the passion and turnout you say he does.. then his numbers wwould have been higher.

Oh.. and that is 6 months ago before he self destructed.

This election will be a blowout.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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There is an element in your national polling that cannot be calculated and that is the number of people who plan to vote for Trump in order to stop Clinton but they do no not want to associate themselves publicly with Trump in any way or any fashion. That is why polling in your country should be viewed as a "possible indicator' rather than proof or evidence.

I simply remind others of the BREXIT polling and result as well as the polls just before elections in the case of Reagan and others. Whenever the media in the States over-identifies with one candidate or is perceived as siding with one candidate by targeting the other for negative stories there is often this very odd relationship between polling going in one direction and actual results going the opposite way.

From personal acquaintances in the States who are pro-Trump, I am still not seeing any defections from Trump, but that is merely anecdotal evidence of the most personal kind. I have seen a few NDP friends in Canada who are binational deciding to vote in the US election for the first time. But their intentions are all over the map with most voting for Jill Stein. In the past third party candidates often polled better than their actual vote results, but Jill Stein and Gary Johnson may actually be quite underrepresented in the polling data since their internal data shows many first time voters choosing to vote Green or Libertarian.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 10:45 AM
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The current differences in their campaign behavior suggests that Trump is on a losing course and shows the impact of his decision to not pay staff to help him with policy creation (they've left, because they didn't want to be volunteers at a paid job.)

Trump's stump speech consists of "Crooked Hillary!" "I was framed!" "America's gonna be great!" and conspiracy theories (even when he reads the speech as he did in Florida from a teleprompter.)

Clinton is talking policy. Her recent campaign speech was about disability rights and issues and what can and should be done to improve those in America. She spoke at a recent rally about the cost of education that puts so many people in debt.

Meanwhile, her supporters (the Obamas, for two) have given the speeches about "Dangerous Donald" and "where America REALLY is today - what the numbers say" (along with other issue points.)

Trump wants revenge, but revenge porn isn't going to win the election. He should be talking about issues -- doing what Hillary is doing. His daughter is talking about HER plan for working moms (leaving out working dads, same sex married couples, etc.) so it's kind of a flip from what Clinton's doing. And it's clearly not working. We still don't know what he'd do as President other than perhaps try to come up with something to put Clinton in jail and put some of the reporters in jail. His "make America great" doesn't come with any line item points, unlike Clinton's carefully drafted multiple page policy.
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posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

That is exactly what makes it fun in making it known



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: StallionDuck

That is exactly what makes it fun in making it known


Why? So peoples houses get burned down because of who they vote for? That's hardly right by any means.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: Kapriti

This is amazing. It is pretty tough to ignore the polling numbers but now the Trump faithful believe there are enough 'closet' Trump supporters to win the election...this is mental gymnastics, not logical reasoning.

It is worth noting that New Hampshire is no considered a toss up, when it was leaning Clinton. That is the only place Trump has gained some ground this past week.



posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: starlitestarbrite
Yea you just keep believing that ! You must believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny too. SMH.

Pennsylvania had almost 300 thousand people registering to vote for the first time and they registered republican. They had almost 100 thousand people as of today switch from democrat to republican.
We work within the community and county I can count on one hand the votes for lying corrupt Hillary we are fed up and we are NOT listening to the lies these news stations are spewing I am calling BULL.... One Hillary sign to thousands of Trump signs EVERYWHERE our eyes are wide open... November 8th is coming! I am hearing even the Amish are coming out to vote for Donald Trump and that's something really really big here in Pa.


This.

and MSN had their most recent, will you vote for hillary. 85 + percent said NO!

that was msNBC mind you, their own camp!

About 80% Trump overall I believe.

www.msnbc.com...

And yet another poll:

www.nj.com...

Hillary isn't even on the same level and all other things are cooked up numbers.
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posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

You take things too far. Forget it.




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