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Who is Hiram Abiff?

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posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

You say no Europe -Persian connection exists but who are the real Aryans?

Not the Nordics, the Persians and Indians but especially the Persians as Iran even means land of the Aryans.

I don't know why the Germans claimed to be Aryans but I am just saying that it is not unheard of that distant lands shared customs and mythologies, or impossible that the Kauls became the Gauls.

It explains both Culdee and Aryan being common themes as Chaldeans could also be classed Aryan by race.

And I would be careful ignoring similarities in words and etymology as it's more revealing than not.

So Culdee and Chaldea and Druidism, shrouded in mystery as they are, share astrological knowledge as a key component to their wisdom also.




posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: Noinden

Most of the people who think themselves as smart, turns out to be the most narrow minded fools you come across..
Taking things out of context to prove something that isnt there.. You have no understanding of the world cultural in your make believe world of magic.. The Catholic entry to the Scandinavian stage during the 15th century moved us away from the primitive/ barbaric lifestyle you so deeply want to achieve..

You have no concept of the midvinterblot or ättestupan, you live in a delusion of things, where you cant even locate the foundations of the sacred things about your twisted joke movement has to offer..

The Lutheran church is compromise of old traditions with the catholic/christian church. The majority of Swedes are religious just not of a Abrahimitic faith, all of our traditions are in just the sacred places of Christianity.

The main reason the druid culture was wiped out and burned to the ground was because narrow minded people who didnt understand reality tricked others, i come from a culture who ravaged most of the world for centuries? What culture do you come from? Instead you seek a culture half around the world that you aint part of, and have no reference to what so ever...
Do you know how idiotic that concept is? You dont fit in, in your culture so you seek another just to find a little club of people who cant fit in?

There is no mystery schools, its science! Its just science without any hooohaaaa..

Do you truly believe you would have anything you have today without the Abrahimitic religions? Living according to nature and its rules?

I will quote wikipedia in everything, to you.. Its that easy, wikipedia has during the last years been regulated to that extent so it is a source of information.. If it doesnt fit in your concept of reality.. Well i cant do much for you..



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

Damn, you know about some obscure isht.

As do I, just not the things you just spoke of about Scandinavia.

Everything else I get, why join a culture that is not yours?

I am actually a white Muslim from America of Roman descent but I agree with Islam theologically and it's not a races culture but the worlds, just like Christianity.

So I don't feel like a hypocrite for agreeing with you. My true heart is in Sethianism but it is a non existent religion and Sufism is the closest thing, plus I identify with the anti Pauline sects of the first centuries regarding Jesus which is essentially Islam now and it just makes sense to me.

I don't care about proving God exists or myth vs. history as long as I am not deceiving myself or submitting to a human being I am a happy white American Muslim of Roman descent!!



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: Malocchio

No what I am saying is the Pesians spoke an Indo-European Language, but they are not the source of the culture or the language. In the 19th century they got hung up on the Aryan tribe. They are but one of the tribes who spread out, and who's languages and cultures were similar. The Proto Indo Europeans (aka PIE) were from where all this sprung.

I said to be careful of looking at words that sound simlar, as a sign of etymological similarity. Sound and visual appearance (when written) are not always a great way of looking at it. Just remember Tocharan, Gaelic, Persian and English (for example) all share the same root (Proto Indo European), but do not seem that similar


I'm not sure why you are focusing in on "astrological knowledge" for Druids and Culdees. We've no evidence they did anything with astrology.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: Malocchio

I am studying Sufism at the moment, part of education to understand Islamic culture..

Im so tired of people romanticising about things that is so wicked and cruel, Christianity taught one of the most important things in a society, free will..

The druid is like any other dogma but without the free will.. But in someones narrow minded view anything is possible..



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

Neighbour

The Druid cutlure as I've explained was not a thing. The Druids were a role with in the Celtic Speaking peoples of the west (possibly the east as well, hard to tell). That culture was not "burned to the ground". There was a fairly peaceful transition.

You need to read some actual history.

There are mystery schools, and itis clear you don't know what one is


Again I'm a scientist. I commit science for a living. I understand science. You have yet to demonstrate you know anything.

You once again rely on the Goebbels technique of the Big lie. You are also ignoring that the Scandinavians are returning in significant numbers to their old (pre Christian)ways . I linked that many posts back.

So stop playing the guru, and show you understand anything beyond mincing around like Von Doom



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:49 PM
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We've no evidence they did anything with astrology.


wow, you just confirmed that you dont know anything about druids..



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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You think a science degree makes anything you say more worthwhile in a cultural meaning? Your field is chemistry, nothing else..

Do you live in Scandinavia or do i? Do you walk among the people living here or do i ?

Peaceful transition ? Oh wow, Witch hunt is realllllll peaceful, what universe did you come from?

You dont know squat outside of your little paradigm of chemistry do you?

Edit; Mystery schools exist in Harry Potter
edit on 20161018 by tikbalang because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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In the 19th century they got hung up on the Aryan tribe. They are but one of the tribes who spread out, and who's languages and cultures were similar. The Proto Indo Europeans (aka PIE) were from where all this sprung.



Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial

[snip]

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posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: Malocchio

i didnt know Romans ( Italy? ) had a muslim population? care to elaborate?



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

I've not mentioned race anywhere. I've mentioned culture. However the volkish movement in particular made it a racial thing. This led to the National Socialists, who well were a bunch of Nazis


What I meant was the Aryan tribe was held up as the ideal, for what ever reason. Scholarship has progressed, and the Persians are just one outward edge of how the Indo-European culture spread. It spread as far as Ireland in one direction, north as Russia, and it went east to China (the Tocharians). When the Europeans spread in the Renaissance, so did their Indo-European language. The culture had changed quite a bit however.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:41 PM
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You feel free to comment on other cultures (New Zealand, the USA, Australia) with out having lived in any of those places. Thus you open you, and your culture up to being talked about. I quoted a Scandinavian church of the old gods. You don't have to like it, however they are there, and the statistics (linked in that article) show the facts.

You can't make your mid up. Here let me make it easy for you. I'm a pagan, I'm a scientist, and I'm a business man. I hold degrees from a top 200 University in Chemistry, Biochemistry and Biochemistry. I'm a published pagan.

You are what again? Oh that is right, you peddle sub standard stories on ATS. You troll threads.

Mystery Schools exist. The Masons are in essence a Mystery School, as they expect people to discover the Mysteries themselves. Rosicrucianism is another. Kabbalah is another. Etc.

Wander off lad, you are out of your depth. I've actually lived.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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What I meant was the Aryan tribe


Still not a tribe..



However the volkish movement in particular made it a racial thing. This led to the National Socialists, who well were a bunch of Nazis


In what world?



I quoted a Scandinavian church of the old gods. You don't have to like it, however they are there, and the statistics (linked in that article) show the facts.


Source it



I hold degrees from a top 200 University in Chemistry, Biochemistry and Biochemistry. I'm a published pagan.



You do say a lot of your self and your claims and stuff, but show up nothing actually..




You are what again? Oh that is right, you peddle sub standard stories on ATS. You troll threads.


You have any content worth while? I looked up your stuff, its actually really s#.. Anything else..

I forgot to say i have a education, two actually.. does it matter? Does it make me more trustworthy?

Or wait maybe my Gypsy heritage makes me even more trustworthy? Since they roamed as in persia, egypt, Ireland, Scotland, Rome.. Mostly every country where the Snake and the egg appeared..

I know when someone is full of ****, its easy to spot them.. Its that stench that comes.. In Scandinavia its hunting season for moose.. You better keep that idiotic mask locked in..



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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Mystery Schools exist. The Masons are in essence a Mystery School, as they expect people to discover the Mysteries themselves. Rosicrucianism is another. Kabbalah is another. Etc.


Science when it was outlawed in that time an era.. Holy s### I believe i actually get dumber by even having a conversation with you..



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

What time period are you implying Science was outlawed in again? You throw phrases around, with out actually qualifying them, or backing them up. You go right to the ad hominem attacks.

The three mystery schools I cited, were each formed at different points in time.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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Neighbour, I cited the Scandinavian temple in another thread. I am not going to repeat myself. Similarly I've left threads of how to find out who I am, it is not my fault you are too lazy to do it, and would rather troll threads.

The Aryan tribe were a Vedic people. The Vedic people are one of the branches of the Indo-European speaking peoples. The term tribe is perfectly acceptable to denote what they were/are. It is not my fault that the Germanic völkisch movement decided it meant something else. Anyone who uses the phrase "Aryan" today to denote Indo-European needs to read something published post WW2.

It returns to the fact that the Masons practice a form of mystery school. It is an ancient tradition, and while (despite what some think) the Masons are fairly modern, they have built upon that which came before.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 10:38 PM
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The three mystery schools I cited, were each formed at different points in time.


Exactly, in the middle of a expanding empire.. You just left that out of the equation?



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 10:46 PM
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I cited the Scandinavian temple in another thread. I am not going to repeat myself. Similarly I've left threads of how to find out who I am, it is not my fault you are too lazy to do it


No i just see it as you dont backing up your claim, kinda simple




The Aryan tribe were a Vedic people. The Vedic people are one of the branches of the Indo-European speaking peoples.


Still not a tribe




It is not my fault that the Germanic völkisch movement decided it meant something else


Still making your own claims yet again;" völkische Bewegung is the German interpretation of the populist movement, with a romantic focus on folklore and the "organic", i.e.: a "naturally grown community in unity"




Anyone who uses the phrase "Aryan" today to denote Indo-European needs to read something published post WW2.


Nazi movement changed the etymology of the word Aryan to fit a purpose/ agenda..




It returns to the fact that the Masons practice a form of mystery school. It is an ancient tradition, and while (despite what some think) the Masons are fairly modern, they have built upon that which came before.


You have a mason to back this claim? Or is another claim?




I cited the Scandinavian temple in another thread.


Temple at Uppsala
You do know Scandinavians practice pagan rituals ? Its a cultural tradition not something new..

You need to stop putting things in your own world so it fills a purpose, its just tragic, it really is.. Snap out of your fantasy..



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 10:47 PM
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You need to provide a citation of the "expanding empire" neighbor
Other wise you are just typing words. But nor words of distilled honey, not chains of amber and gold. These are leaden words, the words of the ignorant.



posted on Oct, 18 2016 @ 10:58 PM
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Im the ignorant? Druid? Paganchad? I see reality as it is, im dont try to fill in a fantasy cause i cant cope with it..

British Empire
Ottoman Empire
Byzantine Empire

I could name a lot more of your so called " Mystery Schools "

You havent sourced a single one of your claims during the whole topic, i cant understand how you passed your so called "Education.".




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