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Who is Hiram Abiff?

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posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:06 AM
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I know admittedly very little about Freemasonry because I am not really interested in it and find it silly.

Abiff, Hiram is also a silly name.

Wondering who he "was" I read the story of Solomon as that is where I was told he came from, at the building of the Temple.

None of the little play/ritual is in the Bible and neither is Hiram Abiff.

HRMB is what it says in Hebrew because they didn't use vowels and F is not a vowel so it's not Hiram Abiff.

HRMB is Hiram Abi in the Bible.

An obvious play on Hammurabi. Obvious to anyone familiar with Hebrew borrowing of famous characters to enhance their status and wordplay. A myth with no historical value.

Does anyone know one of those "free" Masons?

Do they realize that Solomon is a play on Shalman-ezer and the god Shalmanu?

And that Hiram Abiff isn't a real Biblical character, that Hammurabi was written in the story to make Solomon look important?


Just wondering.




posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:20 AM
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I always thought a "Where in the World is Hiram Abiff?" game would go over well.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:21 AM
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a reply to: Malocchio

So you don't understand Freemasonry, hence you find it "silly"? I'm a Master Mason. Good luck finding one of us who is willing to answer you. Just don't hold your breath waiting.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:33 AM
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a reply to: Malocchio

Hammurabi (the sixth king of the Babylonian dynasty) dates to about 1700's BC and the construction of the Temple of Solomon to about 800 BC.

Hammurabi died 900 years earlier, so, not contemporaries.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:33 AM
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a reply to: ApertureEyes

Sooo, a MM...
Any credentials? So how do i get the privileges?



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:33 AM
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originally posted by: Malocchio
A myth with no historical value.


You are missing the point.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

I have a theory



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:35 AM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: ApertureEyes

Sooo, a MM...
Any credentials? So how do i get the privileges?


Ask a Mason, join, be sincere in your desire to understand what you're being taught. Discover the 'secret'.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Bedlam

I have a theory


Let 'be' be finale of 'seem'.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: Malocchio

you just made my night! great OP and very thoughtful... i do not contain the answers and will strive to figure these questions out as i study the non-biblical stories of Solomon...thank you for stretching and broadening my minds searching nature for the studies aside from complete OT/NT...
very interesting OP!



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:38 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam
I always thought a "Where in the World is Hiram Abiff?" game would go over well.


I dunno, them camel trains are a bit slow.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:38 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Awesome info...maybe you share a link? or book reference..?

thanks if it is secret, that's ok!



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:40 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: ApertureEyes

Sooo, a MM...
Any credentials? So how do i get the privileges?


Ask a Mason, join, be sincere in your desire to understand what you're being taught. Discover the 'secret'.





posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:42 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Bedlam

I have a theory


Let 'be' be finale of 'seem'.


Now is where my english is not sufficient



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:43 AM
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originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: Malocchio

you just made my night! great OP and very thoughtful... i do not contain the answers and will strive to figure these questions out as i study the non-biblical stories of Solomon...thank you for stretching and broadening my minds searching nature for the studies aside from complete OT/NT...
very interesting OP!


Thanks.

I just bought the Testament of Solomon and the grimoire Liber Salamonis Sepher Raziel (the wrong one, I wanted Sepher Raziel HaMalakh) and it has 70 demons building the Temple, a tradition in Rabbinical Judaism today even, with a ''ring."

Solomon is Saturn the ''Lord of the Rings."

It's why the hexagram is called the seal of Solomon. Because the hexagon at the pole of Saturn can be used to make one ad infinitum.

Saturn is 70 times the size of earth, Solomon controlled 70 ''daemons."

Islam has some good stories about Solomon.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:44 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Malocchio
A myth with no historical value.


You are missing the point.



No, I am not.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:45 AM
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a reply to: Malocchio

a simple google search and i found a link explaining the questions in your OP!
i wont share the link as i now know the secret!
just kidding here it is free except for wifi and electricity..on the world wide web...
www.christian-restoration.com...



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:47 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I am not concerned about chronological data. The Bible is not history or historically accurate.

Not to mention that I clearl stated that it was a play on Hammurabi and using a famous person of antiquity to enhance Solomon's status.

There never existed a King Solomon anyway so you trying to make it make chronological sense is laughable.



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:49 AM
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originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: Malocchio

a simple google search and i found a link explaining the questions in your OP!
i wont share the link as i now know the secret!
just kidding here it is free except for wifi and electricity..on the world wide web...
www.christian-restoration.com...


Explains it?

From a Christian perspective or a true perspective?


ETA: I read the link and as soon as it said ''this is Masonic legend, not Biblical truth" it lost all credibility imo.

And it explained nothing.

It seems like they were just trying to enforce the truth of the Bible while demeaning Freemasonry and though I am no fan of secrecy societies Christianity is hardly reputable.
edit on 13-10-2016 by Malocchio because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 02:52 AM
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originally posted by: Malocchio

originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: Malocchio

you just made my night! great OP and very thoughtful... i do not contain the answers and will strive to figure these questions out as i study the non-biblical stories of Solomon...thank you for stretching and broadening my minds searching nature for the studies aside from complete OT/NT...
very interesting OP!


Thanks.

I just bought the Testament of Solomon and the grimoire Liber Salamonis Sepher Raziel (the wrong one, I wanted Sepher Raziel HaMalakh) and it has 70 demons building the Temple, a tradition in Rabbinical Judaism today even, with a ''ring."

Solomon is Saturn the ''Lord of the Rings."

It's why the hexagram is called the seal of Solomon. Because the hexagon at the pole of Saturn can be used to make one ad infinitum.

Saturn is 70 times the size of earth, Solomon controlled 70 ''daemons."

Islam has some good stories about Solomon.






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