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Topic started on 23-1-2005 @ 06:44 PM by sardion2000
Just came across this article here that discusses the various efforts underway to come up with new ways to blow stuff up, The new field of Nanoenergetics is working on Superthermites which they say can increase the chemical reaction time by a thousand times. Just imagine if they implement this technology on a MOAB. Check out the article, interesting stuff even though they could't get any details as most of the work is classified...


reply posted on 3-2-2005 @ 04:36 PM by Countermeasures
Already the increasing knowledge of nanoenergetics and fine particles has led to Solid Fuel Air Explosives

The Air Force has been experimenting with a "solid FAE (SFAE)" filling that apparently disperses a fine cloud of aluminum particles, while the Navy has been working on an "interhalogen oxidizer" filling, possibly based on fluorine. Initial tests of the BLU-118/B were conducted in mid-December 2001, and by late winter 2002 the weapon was in use in Afghanistan, performing attacks on tunnels occupied by Taliban and Al-Qaida forces.

www.vectorsite.net...


Based on the SFAE idea I would like to propose the concept of a Hollow Shaped Charge using halogen oxydizer.

Since WW2 the Hollow Shaped Charge grenade uses the Monro effect to generate a concentrated high temprature, high kinetic metallic plasmajet .

Now, what if we were to replace the single metal liner with two different liners, made from substances that react very violenty witch eachother ?

Let's assume the reaction of Fluorine and Boron, this is about as violent as you can get with non-nuclear chemistry. Exactly why you don't see them in convential explosives, too dangerous , the two react prematurely upon the slightest contact without any external ignition.

In my hollow charge concept, there would be no need for interhalogens as the boron and fluorine are simply physically spaced appart and smashed against one another.

One halve of the hollow charge would be made of fluorine, the other of boron, when both collide in the middle that would not only form a plasma jet, but this plasma jet would be perhaps much denser, because fluorine is the most electronegative element known and boron much more positve. This would perhaps aid in preventing the plasmajet from getting warped by countermeasures and higher plasmadensity would aid in penetration depth.

also one could expect the reaction of boron with fluor to give a lot of extra heat to the plasmajet, again aiding in penetration depth ?

Perhaps supercapacitor could be used to make the fluorine even more negatively charged and the boron much more positively charged a split second before impact, that would result in an even denser shortcircuiting plasmajet, maintaining its own integrity using electrostatic attraction.

throw some deuterium into the mix and one could even get a very small amount of thermonuclear reactions started, wich yield perhaps could be impproved by nano-engineering, using molecular vapour deposition to create a liner sandwich of alternating layers of boron and fluorine, all a few atoms thick, to maximize combustable surface area and seperated by deuterium "interhalogen" layers.

I guess that could be called a Z-pinch grenade,.



[edit on 3-2-2005 by Countermeasures]


reply posted on 3-2-2005 @ 08:22 PM by rogue1
Originally posted by Countermeasures
Already the increasing knowledge of nanoenergetics and fine particles has led to Solid Fuel Air Explosives

The Air Force has been experimenting with a "solid FAE (SFAE)" filling that apparently disperses a fine cloud of aluminum particles, while the Navy has been working on an "interhalogen oxidizer" filling, possibly based on fluorine. Initial tests of the BLU-118/B were conducted in mid-December 2001, and by late winter 2002 the weapon was in use in Afghanistan, performing attacks on tunnels occupied by Taliban and Al-Qaida forces.

www.vectorsite.net...


This doesn't seem to be a true FAE as they use ( as the name implies ) air as the oxidizer. The oxidizer isn't contained within the actual bomb as it seems to in the BLU-118/B.



Based on the SFAE idea I would like to propose the concept of a Hollow Shaped Charge using halogen oxydizer.

Since WW2 the Hollow Shaped Charge grenade uses the Monro effect to generate a concentrated high temprature, high kinetic metallic plasmajet .

Now, what if we were to replace the single metal liner with two different liners, made from substances that react very violenty witch eachother ?

Let's assume the reaction of Fluorine and Boron, this is about as violent as you can get with non-nuclear chemistry. Exactly why you don't see them in convential explosives, too dangerous , the two react prematurely upon the slightest contact without any external ignition.

In my hollow charge concept, there would be no need for interhalogens as the boron and fluorine are simply physically spaced appart and smashed against one another.

One halve of the hollow charge would be made of fluorine, the other of boron, when both collide in the middle that would not only form a plasma jet, but this plasma jet would be perhaps much denser, because fluorine is the most electronegative element known and boron much more positve. This would perhaps aid in preventing the plasmajet from getting warped by countermeasures and higher plasmadensity would aid in penetration depth.


Wouldn't this disrupt the coherenece of the jet as the 2 elements wouldn't have the same detonation velocities. Most hollow charge research concentrates on refinging the coherence of the jet. Tantalum liners seem to be the element of choice for new warheads.
Whilst I am not a physicist, but the reaction between fluorine and boron would be too unpredictable for an explosive.




throw some deuterium into the mix and one could even get a very small amount of thermonuclear reactions started, wich yield perhaps could be impproved by nano-engineering, using molecular vapour deposition to create a liner sandwich of alternating layers of boron and fluorine, all a few atoms thick, to maximize combustable surface area and seperated by deuterium "interhalogen" layers.


Umm, convenional explosives don't produce a fraction of the heat and pressure to be able to fuse helium. Therefore any nuclear reaction using deuterium couldn't happen using any non nuclear explosive.



[edit on 3-2-2005 by Countermeasures]


reply posted on 3-2-2005 @ 08:25 PM by rogue1
Originally posted by rogue1
Originally posted by Countermeasures
Already the increasing knowledge of nanoenergetics and fine particles has led to Solid Fuel Air Explosives

The Air Force has been experimenting with a "solid FAE (SFAE)" filling that apparently disperses a fine cloud of aluminum particles, while the Navy has been working on an "interhalogen oxidizer" filling, possibly based on fluorine. Initial tests of the BLU-118/B were conducted in mid-December 2001, and by late winter 2002 the weapon was in use in Afghanistan, performing attacks on tunnels occupied by Taliban and Al-Qaida forces.

www.vectorsite.net...


This doesn't seem to be a true FAE as they use ( as the name implies ) air as the oxidizer. The oxidizer isn't contained within the actual bomb as it seems to in the BLU-118/B.



Based on the SFAE idea I would like to propose the concept of a Hollow Shaped Charge using halogen oxydizer.

Since WW2 the Hollow Shaped Charge grenade uses the Monro effect to generate a concentrated high temprature, high kinetic metallic plasmajet .

Now, what if we were to replace the single metal liner with two different liners, made from substances that react very violenty witch eachother ?

Let's assume the reaction of Fluorine and Boron, this is about as violent as you can get with non-nuclear chemistry. Exactly why you don't see them in convential explosives, too dangerous , the two react prematurely upon the slightest contact without any external ignition.

In my hollow charge concept, there would be no need for interhalogens as the boron and fluorine are simply physically spaced appart and smashed against one another.

One halve of the hollow charge would be made of fluorine, the other of boron, when both collide in the middle that would not only form a plasma jet, but this plasma jet would be perhaps much denser, because fluorine is the most electronegative element known and boron much more positve. This would perhaps aid in preventing the plasmajet from getting warped by countermeasures and higher plasmadensity would aid in penetration depth.


Wouldn't this disrupt the coherenece of the jet as the 2 elements wouldn't have the same detonation velocities. Most hollow charge research concentrates on refinging the coherence of the jet. Tantalum liners seem to be the element of choice for new warheads.
Whilst I am not a physicist, but the reaction between fluorine and boron would be too unpredictable for an explosive.




throw some deuterium into the mix and one could even get a very small amount of thermonuclear reactions started, wich yield perhaps could be impproved by nano-engineering, using molecular vapour deposition to create a liner sandwich of alternating layers of boron and fluorine, all a few atoms thick, to maximize combustable surface area and seperated by deuterium "interhalogen" layers.


Conventional explosives don't produce a fraction of the heat and pressure to be able to fuse helium. Therefore any nuclear reaction using deuterium couldn't happen using any non nuclear explosive.

PS. Do you have any information on the energy released by a fluorine/boron reaction. I'd be very intersted, thanks.
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