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How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky

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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: TrueBrit

originally posted by: Bloodydagger


I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.


Oh you do not care?

Well I bloody do.

You made the point, and the point is false. To argue about the error, rather than admitting it and changing the title of this thread to reflect the truth, merely suggests to the reader that your motivations are less than honest, and if you do not care about that, then you are exactly as rotten as the elite scumbags who trade in lies and deceit to prove non-points to the witless masses who vote for them.

Great job


Yeah, and I guess you conveniently skipped over my reply of how Snopes is a Left Leaning Liberal website. Yeah, I'm going to believe that source when it comes to ANYTHING regarding politics.

Well you could always post the written work or letter where Alinsky wrote those words and prove Snopes wrong, but we all know you know that Snopes is telling the truth here so you won't do that.


Nah, I don't know Snopes is telling the truth. As I said before, I will never trust a Libtard Left Leaning website when it comes to politics. Pretty sure for the same reason that you'd never trust a Right Leaning website. So touché.

Yeah. God forbid you actually deny some ignorance and check for yourself. Just kneejerk deny because you've labeled the website a "Libtard Left Leaning website". Clearly you aren't looking to provide any truth; you are just looking to spread your ignorance and propaganda.


Believe me, i'm far from being alone in thinking that about Snopes.
edit on 10-10-2016 by Bloodydagger because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Also, why didn't you use the proper quote tags? Are you trying to take credit for a false internet hoax?


Those 8 points are common knowledge, unless you're living under a rock. So no need to "quote" anyone. And I clearly stated above the 8 points who wrote them.


Alinsky didn't write them. Apparently common knowledge means you believe in hoaxes.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Also, why didn't you use the proper quote tags? Are you trying to take credit for a false internet hoax?


Those 8 points are common knowledge, unless you're living under a rock. So no need to "quote" anyone. And I clearly stated above the 8 points who wrote them.


Alinsky didn't write them. Apparently common knowledge means you believe in hoaxes.


Because Snopes says so? lol



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Also, why didn't you use the proper quote tags? Are you trying to take credit for a false internet hoax?


Those 8 points are common knowledge, unless you're living under a rock. So no need to "quote" anyone. And I clearly stated above the 8 points who wrote them.

You ALWAYS need to quote someone, even if everyone is already aware of the source. Otherwise it is called plagiarism.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: Bloodydagger

Did I say I tbought you were the only one? Maybe you should read my posts twice as this is the second time you have accused me of something I didn't say.

What I have been saying is just becuase this type of thing gets said and people agree with it that doesn't extrapolate to most Americans agreeing with it.

And a lot of people who do feel that way, don't even browse the internet much or go to these types of websites to be influenced by the thoughts. Explain that?


How can I explain an anecdotal statement you say?
It doesn't work like that...



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Also, why didn't you use the proper quote tags? Are you trying to take credit for a false internet hoax?


Those 8 points are common knowledge, unless you're living under a rock. So no need to "quote" anyone. And I clearly stated above the 8 points who wrote them.

You ALWAYS need to quote someone, even if everyone is already aware of the source. Otherwise it is called plagiarism.


I guess you are blind after all (hi Muslim thread). Go back and re-read it. I quoted above the 8 points who wrote them.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: TrueBrit

originally posted by: Bloodydagger


I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.


Oh you do not care?

Well I bloody do.

You made the point, and the point is false. To argue about the error, rather than admitting it and changing the title of this thread to reflect the truth, merely suggests to the reader that your motivations are less than honest, and if you do not care about that, then you are exactly as rotten as the elite scumbags who trade in lies and deceit to prove non-points to the witless masses who vote for them.

Great job


Yeah, and I guess you conveniently skipped over my reply of how Snopes is a Left Leaning Liberal website. Yeah, I'm going to believe that source when it comes to ANYTHING regarding politics.

Well you could always post the written work or letter where Alinsky wrote those words and prove Snopes wrong, but we all know you know that Snopes is telling the truth here so you won't do that.


Nah, I don't know Snopes is telling the truth. As I said before, I will never trust a Libtard Left Leaning website when it comes to politics. Pretty sure for the same reason that you'd never trust a Right Leaning website. So touché.

Yeah. God forbid you actually deny some ignorance and check for yourself. Just kneejerk deny because you've labeled the website a "Libtard Left Leaning website". Clearly you aren't looking to provide any truth; you are just looking to spread your ignorance and propaganda.


Believe me, i'm far from being alone in thinking that about Snopes.


Irrelevant. Your beliefs about Snopes' accuracy have no baring on if Snopes is telling the truth here. You are just deflecting at this point because you can't admit that you were lying and quote mining someone who never said the things you are attributing to him. This thread is a lie!



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Also, why didn't you use the proper quote tags? Are you trying to take credit for a false internet hoax?


Those 8 points are common knowledge, unless you're living under a rock. So no need to "quote" anyone. And I clearly stated above the 8 points who wrote them.


Alinsky didn't write them. Apparently common knowledge means you believe in hoaxes.


Because Snopes says so? lol


Show us where he wrote it then!
Holy hell dude, show us he wrote them and then you can prove snopes wrong.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Also, why didn't you use the proper quote tags? Are you trying to take credit for a false internet hoax?


Those 8 points are common knowledge, unless you're living under a rock. So no need to "quote" anyone. And I clearly stated above the 8 points who wrote them.

You ALWAYS need to quote someone, even if everyone is already aware of the source. Otherwise it is called plagiarism.


I guess you are blind after all (hi Muslim thread). Go back and re-read it. I quoted above the 8 points who wrote them.

No. You wrote 8 points and attributed them to Saul Alinsky, with NO posted source. That is a quote mine and is NOT sourcing anything.

I'll tell you what. I'll make up 8 points on the spot and attribute them to you. As long as I source you I MUST be telling the truth right?
edit on 10-10-2016 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: TrueBrit

originally posted by: Bloodydagger


I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.


Oh you do not care?

Well I bloody do.

You made the point, and the point is false. To argue about the error, rather than admitting it and changing the title of this thread to reflect the truth, merely suggests to the reader that your motivations are less than honest, and if you do not care about that, then you are exactly as rotten as the elite scumbags who trade in lies and deceit to prove non-points to the witless masses who vote for them.

Great job


Yeah, and I guess you conveniently skipped over my reply of how Snopes is a Left Leaning Liberal website. Yeah, I'm going to believe that source when it comes to ANYTHING regarding politics.

Well you could always post the written work or letter where Alinsky wrote those words and prove Snopes wrong, but we all know you know that Snopes is telling the truth here so you won't do that.


Nah, I don't know Snopes is telling the truth. As I said before, I will never trust a Libtard Left Leaning website when it comes to politics. Pretty sure for the same reason that you'd never trust a Right Leaning website. So touché.

Yeah. God forbid you actually deny some ignorance and check for yourself. Just kneejerk deny because you've labeled the website a "Libtard Left Leaning website". Clearly you aren't looking to provide any truth; you are just looking to spread your ignorance and propaganda.


Believe me, i'm far from being alone in thinking that about Snopes.


Irrelevant. Your beliefs about Snopes' accuracy have no baring on if Snopes is telling the truth here. You are just deflecting at this point because you can't admit that you were lying and quote mining someone who never said the things you are attributing to him. This thread is a lie!


Then admit that you're a Leftist Liberal taking what a Left Leaning Liberal website says as gospel and we'll call it even.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Also, why didn't you use the proper quote tags? Are you trying to take credit for a false internet hoax?


Those 8 points are common knowledge, unless you're living under a rock. So no need to "quote" anyone. And I clearly stated above the 8 points who wrote them.


Alinsky didn't write them. Apparently common knowledge means you believe in hoaxes.


Because Snopes says so? lol


No, because it cannot be proven that he did.


Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years, yet the phoney connection between Alinsky and his supposed "How to create a social state" only appears on web pages from 2013 on, which probably means it is scuttlebutt generated for the post-election renewal of the war on Obama.


therealtruthproject.blogspot.com...

This hoax has been on the internet for years and you are just catching up?



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: TrueBrit

originally posted by: Bloodydagger


I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.


Oh you do not care?

Well I bloody do.

You made the point, and the point is false. To argue about the error, rather than admitting it and changing the title of this thread to reflect the truth, merely suggests to the reader that your motivations are less than honest, and if you do not care about that, then you are exactly as rotten as the elite scumbags who trade in lies and deceit to prove non-points to the witless masses who vote for them.

Great job


Yeah, and I guess you conveniently skipped over my reply of how Snopes is a Left Leaning Liberal website. Yeah, I'm going to believe that source when it comes to ANYTHING regarding politics.

Well you could always post the written work or letter where Alinsky wrote those words and prove Snopes wrong, but we all know you know that Snopes is telling the truth here so you won't do that.


Nah, I don't know Snopes is telling the truth. As I said before, I will never trust a Libtard Left Leaning website when it comes to politics. Pretty sure for the same reason that you'd never trust a Right Leaning website. So touché.

Yeah. God forbid you actually deny some ignorance and check for yourself. Just kneejerk deny because you've labeled the website a "Libtard Left Leaning website". Clearly you aren't looking to provide any truth; you are just looking to spread your ignorance and propaganda.


Believe me, i'm far from being alone in thinking that about Snopes.


Irrelevant. Your beliefs about Snopes' accuracy have no baring on if Snopes is telling the truth here. You are just deflecting at this point because you can't admit that you were lying and quote mining someone who never said the things you are attributing to him. This thread is a lie!


Then admit that you're a Leftist Liberal taking what a Left Leaning Liberal website says as gospel and we'll call it even.

And now the ad hominems start... Out of arguments defending your clickbait, propaganda thread?



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:24 PM
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*shrug* I can find plenty of Right Leaning websites that state it as true: www.varight.com...

So question is, can your Liberal Left Leaning websites cancel them out? Or are they just "right", because the website fits in with your argument and political views?
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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:25 PM
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Snopes.com is just a mom-and-pop operation that was started by two people who have absolutely no formal background or experience in investigative research.

This is what snopes looks like. They get all their information from their cat.
accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com...
edit on 10-10-2016 by Encryptor because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger
*shrug* I can find plenty of Right Leaning websites that state it as true: www.varight.com...

So question is, can your Liberal Left Leaning websites cancel them out? Or are they just "right", because the website fits in with your argument and political views?

How about posting a link to Alinsky's OWN works that prove he said them instead of posting something from a media website? Do you know what a primary, secondary and tertiary source is?
edit on 10-10-2016 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
*shrug* I can find plenty of Right Leaning websites that state it as true: www.varight.com...

So question is, can your Liberal Left Leaning websites cancel them out? Or are they just "right", because the website fits in with your argument and political views?

How about posting a link to Alinsky's OWN works that prove he said them instead of posting something from a media website?


Kind of the like the "words/works" of Snopes saying its not true?
edit on 10-10-2016 by Bloodydagger because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Bloodydagger

Your link even says this isn't Sauls work.

It says it is the the C&P strategy. You just got your buzz phrase wrong.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
*shrug* I can find plenty of Right Leaning websites that state it as true: www.varight.com...

So question is, can your Liberal Left Leaning websites cancel them out? Or are they just "right", because the website fits in with your argument and political views?

How about posting a link to Alinsky's OWN works that prove he said them instead of posting something from a media website?


Kind of the like the "words" of Snopes saying its not true?

Snopes can't prove a negative, but YOU can certainly prove a positive. So balls in your court.

PS: You didn't read your own source

The first is the 8 point plan to implement Socialism. This plan was not enumerated in Alinsky’s book, but Alinsky inspired two Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven to devise the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” which seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This strategy is often attributed to Alinsky and left wing websites like Snopes have tried to discredit the plan by declaring it false because Alinsky didn’t actually write the 8 steps in his book. But Snopes conveniently fails to correctly attribute the work to Cloward and Piven.

edit on 10-10-2016 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Krazysh0t

But the 8 points is clearly where America is headed and is at now.

I don't care. You made those points up and they have nothing to do with Saul Alinsky.


I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.

So you're admitting that your thread title is false? Because you're claiming it's Saul's words in the title. Should I also make a thread called "How to lie on the internet and eat kittens by Bloodydagger" then completely make up my own 8 point list of ways to lie on the internet and eat kittens?



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Encryptor

Snopes shows you where they get the information from.

If you just look at snopes and blindly follow what they say the yes you are wrong, but you can follow where they get their information from.

Seems like some people just don't like it that they call bs on the stories that come out.


Crazy how the OP has gone on and on about how Snopes was wrong about this and then posts a link pretty much saying the same exact thing.
Pretty ironic really.




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