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originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Who are you to tell us how and when to talk? Freedom of speech applies to us too, buddy.
May I ask you this, if you saw your Muslim neighbors who you know have been recently radicalized after a trip to the middle east, through the window of their house suiting up for combat, flack jacket being put on, 6 clips of ammo into there vest, loading their automatics.
Would you say nothing to nobody ?
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Advantage
Then go turn yourself in if you've ever done anything illegal or possibly illegal. Otherwise, you can screw yourself. Because anything can be seen as being "suspicious". Especially if you're paranoid and scared of your own shadow.
In fact, I guess I should also report every person I see in a business suit. After all, that fits the profile of most financial criminals and highly ranked mafioso. And every time I see someone with a cowboy hat or cowboy boots, I guess I should report them too. After all, that looks really suspicious in a metropolis and it clearly fits the stereotype of a Klansman or a moonshiner.
Got a nice car? Must be from drug money so we should report it. Got more than one gun? Must be a Russian operative about to launch an uprising in America, so we should report it. Got any kind of long barreled gun that I can mistake for a sniper rifle? Clearly you're planning to assassinate someone so we should report it. Round belly? Clearly you're intentionally starving your kids (which is child endangerment), so we should report it. Wear an "a-shirt"? There's a reason they're called "wife beaters", so we should report it. Have a garden or farm? Clearly you're likely also maybe possibly growing illegal plants like opium, coca, or maryjane, so we should report it.
Of course these are all just baseless stereotypes. But turnabout's fair play, right?
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Christosterone
You realize that you can do that same things with ANY demographic that numbers in the billions cross referenced with just random violence right?
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Christosterone
Your list of people makes up 1/3rd of the population of the world and you found a hand full of violent actions by a few of them and then you are making it seem like they all do those things. Seriously this is literally bigotry 101.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: enlightenedservant
First to sort of disagree with your premise. Rather you like it or not, the majority of terrorists attacks in the world lately have been done by radical Islamic extremists. This means that there needs to be a focus on Islam and stopping radicalism in that community.
By the same token, I think see something say something should apply in any situation where you think there is a good chance someone is going to hurt someone else, regardless of the the community. If I am Catholic, and I have a pretty good idea that my priest is being inappropriate with children, I should say something. If I live in a town and see a bunch of Methodists stockpiling assault weapons, I should say something.
If I am in a christian church, and I start hearing people say radical things about bombing abortion clinics, I should say something.
Now this doesn't mean you have to snitch on people for drug use or nonviolent crimes, only when people are in danger.
Now to sort of agree with you. First, this see something say something seems almost Orwellian to me. What next, we see people discussing the constitution so we report them? So there has to be a line somewhere.
And on Islam specifically, lets give credit where credit is due. Lets look at the recen t New York bomber. For gods sake, the kids own father reported him as being radicalized, and the FBI did nothing! What good is reporting someone if nothing will be done anyways. These Muslims are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
And allow me to say that that father is a stronger person than me. I don't know if I could report my own son no matter what I suspected them of. And yet this guys was still blasted and his business attacked, and for what. As far as I am concerned this man seems to be a great person who tried to do the right thing, and we should recognize that.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Who are you to tell us how and when to talk? Freedom of speech applies to us too, buddy.
May I ask you this, if you saw your Muslim neighbors who you know have been recently radicalized after a trip to the middle east, through the window of their house suiting up for combat, flack jacket being put on, 6 clips of ammo into there vest, loading their automatics.
Would you say nothing to nobody ?
What kind of dumb_ss loaded question is that?
I already mentioned that there are numerous programs between law enforcement and Muslim American communities right now. Why else do you think that virtually every lone wolf "Muslim" terrorist in America is conveniently already kn own to the FBI? Or did you not think that through?
originally posted by: Advantage
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Advantage
Then go turn yourself in if you've ever done anything illegal or possibly illegal. Otherwise, you can screw yourself. Because anything can be seen as being "suspicious". Especially if you're paranoid and scared of your own shadow.
In fact, I guess I should also report every person I see in a business suit. After all, that fits the profile of most financial criminals and highly ranked mafioso. And every time I see someone with a cowboy hat or cowboy boots, I guess I should report them too. After all, that looks really suspicious in a metropolis and it clearly fits the stereotype of a Klansman or a moonshiner.
Got a nice car? Must be from drug money so we should report it. Got more than one gun? Must be a Russian operative about to launch an uprising in America, so we should report it. Got any kind of long barreled gun that I can mistake for a sniper rifle? Clearly you're planning to assassinate someone so we should report it. Round belly? Clearly you're intentionally starving your kids (which is child endangerment), so we should report it. Wear an "a-shirt"? There's a reason they're called "wife beaters", so we should report it. Have a garden or farm? Clearly you're likely also maybe possibly growing illegal plants like opium, coca, or maryjane, so we should report it.
Of course these are all just baseless stereotypes. But turnabout's fair play, right?
I expect no less from you, unfortunately. It is very saddening that you, a Muslim, are in capable if engaging in ANY productive conversation without resorting to these tired old tactics.. that havent even addressed what I typed. Read what I wrote again very slowly... and THEN respond, if you can, without vitriol and telling me to go screw myself. I wont have a dialog with a degenerate who cant have a civil conversation. Very telling and I imagine many Muslims on this board hope we all dont believe you represent their mindset or lack of understanding.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
I think you've misread the situation.
I think the "see something say something" smacks too much of the Stasi and similar outfits.
Trump jumped the gun on that level of rank authoritarianism (much like his threat to throw Clinton in jail.)
The US is not there ... not yet.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Gryphon66
And what would you do if you saw someone walking down the street with an AR-15 and a bag full of ammo? You'd feel fully vindicated calling the police. Trump was asking no more or no less than that.
Well that really depends on what the local "open carry" laws are doesn't it? Or is it ok to call the police on that white guy walking down the street in fatigues and a gun on his shoulder down in Alabama?
originally posted by: goou111
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Who are you to tell us how and when to talk? Freedom of speech applies to us too, buddy.
May I ask you this, if you saw your Muslim neighbors who you know have been recently radicalized after a trip to the middle east, through the window of their house suiting up for combat, flack jacket being put on, 6 clips of ammo into there vest, loading their automatics.
Would you say nothing to nobody ?
What kind of dumb_ss loaded question is that?
I already mentioned that there are numerous programs between law enforcement and Muslim American communities right now. Why else do you think that virtually every lone wolf "Muslim" terrorist in America is conveniently already kn own to the FBI? Or did you not think that through?
Well then why dont they stop then beforehand? Oh yeah Hillary and Obama.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Christosterone
You realize that you can do that same things with ANY demographic that numbers in the billions cross referenced with just random violence right?