It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Muslims Just Took the Bait Trump Gave Them at The Debate !

page: 1
38
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:
+29 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:19 AM
link   
This is a problem, they should have stayed silent on this, now that they played right into Trump and his followers hands, now they all can say see "I told you so." The moderate Muslims don't want to rat out there fellow radical Muslims if they see something that could be leading to a terror act.

LINK




Muslim reacting to Trump's call for Muslims to report suspicious activity during the town hall debate in St. Louis.

Muslims took to Twitter in droves to mock Trump's request, which he made after a town hall participant asked how Trump would address Islamophobia in the United States. They poked at his answer using the hashtag #MuslimsReportStuff.

"One thing we have to do is we have to make sure that because there is a problem, whether we like it or not — and we could be very politically correct, but whether we like it or not, there is a problem and we have to be sure that Muslims come in and report when they see something going on," Trump had said. "When they see hatred going on, they have to report it."


I have said this many times the moderates need to reign in the radicals by any means possible, so if they are mocking that idealogy, then western society has an even bigger problem. It means the moderates tacitly approve of it, but will outwardly condemn the individual acts of terror but have no desire to report to the authorities suspicious activities of their peers, and they are the ones in the best position to see it.

Let me give an example, a moderate sees his radical neighbor bring home in his truck, very large quantities of Ammonium nitrate the fertilizer, the family has no garden or farm or greenhouse, hmmmm how is he going to use this ?
His obligation IS TO REPORT THIS, failing to do this is tacit approval of what he will potentially use it for.

And the Muslims are mocking this point Trump is making.
It's not smart.


edit on 10-10-2016 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)



+3 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:23 AM
link   
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I think you've misread the situation.

I think the "see something say something" smacks too much of the Stasi and similar outfits.

Trump jumped the gun on that level of rank authoritarianism (much like his threat to throw Clinton in jail.)

The US is not there ... not yet.


+46 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:29 AM
link   
a reply to: Gryphon66

And what would you do if you saw someone walking down the street with an AR-15 and a bag full of ammo? You'd feel fully vindicated calling the police. Trump was asking no more or no less than that.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:31 AM
link   

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Gryphon66

And what would you do if you saw someone walking down the street with an AR-15 and a bag full of ammo? You'd feel fully vindicated calling the police. Trump was asking no more or no less than that.


I understand that you're defending what Trump says because he's your guy. You're making a rational argument.

My argument is there's too much of the old conditioning left in the US population still NOT to trust anything that smacks of the old Soviet style secret police.

Give it a few years.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:33 AM
link   
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Why is your example unique to Muslims - or are you targeting a specific group of people for a reason? How do you know if your neighbour is 'radical' - do you know what your neighbour is thinking right now? The very point about making it about a specific group rather than a more broad brush statement (see something, say something, as Gryphon mentions above) tells its own story about feeding suspicion.

Surely this should be about anything you have a more than reasonable feeling of unease about shouldn't be limited based on a persons religion, skin colour, or anything else........ or do you think it should?


+5 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:36 AM
link   
Another example to think about, two Muslims live next to each other for a number of years, both moderates, then one notices his neighbor had switched over to mosque that preaches the radical version of Islam, over a period of 6 months his rhetoric turns decidedly radical, and his neighbor who was always against guns in the past then goes out and buys an automatic gun and a bunch of ammo.

Should he say something to the authorities ?


+13 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:49 AM
link   
Who are you to tell us how and when to talk? Freedom of speech applies to us too, buddy.

On top of that, this is highly hypocritical. How many other demographics in America are required to report every time they see something "suspicious"? Last time I checked, the vast majority of recreational drugs are still illegal. So why aren't all of you reporting all of the growing, transporting, selling, possession, and usage of those? Same goes for illegal content streaming, illegal downloading, illegal modifications to guns, many "get rich quick" schemes, prostitution, many moonshining operations, shady business operations at your workplace, intentional skirting of local regulations, child abuse, domestic violence, shoplifting, and a lot more.

Since I don't do that stuff and don't use legal, illegal, or prescription drugs, I guess I should start reporting all of YOU as being "suspicious". After all, someone's buying all of those illegal drugs and it's not me. Someone's illegally streaming all of that content and it's not me. Someone's out their beating their wives and kids, cheating on their taxes, working at "fronts" for organized crime groups, hiring prostitutes, etc, and it's not me. So let's see how you would like being under a constant microscope instead of getting the "innocent until proven guilty" treatment that our justice system supposedly follows.

(Note: I'm not actually going to start reporting all of you for suspicious behavior LOL. Unlike many other people here, I actually accept that we're usually innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But all of you calling for Muslim Americans to do all these additional things need to screw yourselves, especially if you're not living 100% legally or reporting the same "suspicions" in your own communities. Furthermore, most of you can't even name any of the numerous programs that already exist between Muslim Americans and law enforcement. So those opinions just come off as ignorant fearmongering.

And last time I checked, I don't remember your communities happily snitching on organized crime groups, cartel affiliates, street gangs, smuggling rings, drug rings, pedophile rings, secret societies, or any other documented groups that openly corrupt your own towns. Can it possibly be because you fear for your lives, knowing that law enforcement can't or won't protect you from any repercussions? Or is it because many of you have a hand in these things and point the finger at "others" to deflect any suspicion that should rightfully be aimed at you?)


+12 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:50 AM
link   
This goes to show all terrorist might not be Muslim but all Mulsims are terrorist.

None of them will report anything because deep down they are only killing infidels.


+2 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:55 AM
link   

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I think you've misread the situation.

I think the "see something say something" smacks too much of the Stasi and similar outfits.

Trump jumped the gun on that level of rank authoritarianism (much like his threat to throw Clinton in jail.)

The US is not there ... not yet.


You forgot DHS

Because only you know what’s supposed to be in your everyday. Informed, alert communities play a critical role in keeping our nation safe. "If You See Something, Say Something™" engages the public in protecting our homeland through awareness–building, partnerships, and other outreach.


but hey... lets ignore the fact that our current administration is already pushing this...


+3 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:56 AM
link   
a reply to: Gryphon66




I understand that you're defending what Trump says because he's your guy


mmm....not really. I've come to think neither is a good choice, I'm just picking [ sigh ] the lesser of 2 evils. It's not that I like Trump, it's that I can't stand Hillary.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 08:59 AM
link   

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Another example to think about, two Muslims live next to each other for a number of years, both moderates, then one notices his neighbor had switched over to mosque that preaches the radical version of Islam, over a period of 6 months his rhetoric turns decidedly radical, and his neighbor who was always against guns in the past then goes out and buys an automatic gun and a bunch of ammo.

Should he say something to the authorities ?


Why do you keep making this about Muslims? What about white people? Change Mosque to Church or social gathering of any kind and what's the difference?

You really don't see the point being made here do you? If anyone sees anything that appears suspicious, should they only report it if the 'other guy' is Muslim?


+13 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:01 AM
link   
If radical white boy next door who has a huge scary rebel flag on his truck and an American flag on the hood of his truck was packing "bomb making materials" in a rental truck... erm... you bet Im calling the cops. Hell, Im calling everyone. If I see a build up of weapons at my family place.. yep. Calling. Id talk to them first, but Id definitely call if the intention was any sort of BS. If I saw my neighbors house being broken into by my other neighbor.. Id call the cops.

Muslims cant do what the rest of us do for our fellow countrymen and call someone to help when there is a possibility of violence or harm to others? Why do they scream STASI! Is it because they refuse to be a "fellow countryman" and intend to keep separate from us infidels?

I question these things and so much more, the more I read the response from the majority of Muslims... Im very disturbed by this.

edit on 10-10-2016 by Advantage because: (no reason given)


+4 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:03 AM
link   
a reply to: enlightenedservant




Who are you to tell us how and when to talk? Freedom of speech applies to us too, buddy.


May I ask you this, if you saw your Muslim neighbors who you know have been recently radicalized after a trip to the middle east, through the window of their house suiting up for combat, flack jacket being put on, 6 clips of ammo into there vest, loading their automatics.

Would you say nothing to nobody ?
edit on 10-10-2016 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)


+16 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:04 AM
link   

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Gryphon66

And what would you do if you saw someone walking down the street with an AR-15 and a bag full of ammo? You'd feel fully vindicated calling the police. Trump was asking no more or no less than that.


I understand that you're defending what Trump says because he's your guy. You're making a rational argument.

My argument is there's too much of the old conditioning left in the US population still NOT to trust anything that smacks of the old Soviet style secret police.

Give it a few years.


Clinton offered the same answer as trump:
"We need American Muslims to be part of our eyes and ears on our front lines."

How is that any different?


+9 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:07 AM
link   
a reply to: shooterbrody

Actually that is a good point, she just said it more politically correctly, Trump is just blunt and doesn't care about PC when people are dying from acts of terror.


+11 more 
posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:07 AM
link   
a reply to: enlightenedservant

First to sort of disagree with your premise. Rather you like it or not, the majority of terrorists attacks in the world lately have been done by radical Islamic extremists. This means that there needs to be a focus on Islam and stopping radicalism in that community.

By the same token, I think see something say something should apply in any situation where you think there is a good chance someone is going to hurt someone else, regardless of the the community. If I am Catholic, and I have a pretty good idea that my priest is being inappropriate with children, I should say something. If I live in a town and see a bunch of Methodists stockpiling assault weapons, I should say something.

If I am in a christian church, and I start hearing people say radical things about bombing abortion clinics, I should say something.

Now this doesn't mean you have to snitch on people for drug use or nonviolent crimes, only when people are in danger.



Now to sort of agree with you. First, this see something say something seems almost Orwellian to me. What next, we see people discussing the constitution so we report them? So there haas to be a line somewhere.

And on Islam specifically, lets give credit where credit is due. Lets look at the recen t New York bomber. For gods sake, the kids own father reported him as being radicalized, and the FBI did nothing! What good is reporting someone if nothing will be done anyways. These Muslims are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

And allow me to say that that father is a stronger person than me. I don't know if I could report my own son no matter what I suspected them of. And yet this guys was still blasted and his buisiness attacked, and for what. As far as I am concerned this man seems to be a great person who tried to do the right thing, and we should recognize that.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:08 AM
link   

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: enlightenedservant




Who are you to tell us how and when to talk? Freedom of speech applies to us too, buddy.


May I ask you this, if you saw your Muslim neighbors who you know have been recently radicalized after a trip to the middle east, through the window of their house suiting up for combat, flack jacket being put on, 6 clips of ammo into there vest, loading their automatics.

Would you say nothing to nobody ?


Hes gonna say yes but we all know its no.
edit on 10-10-2016 by goou111 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:10 AM
link   
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Are you seriously ranting and upset about a bunch of Muslims having a good time and poking fun? Lol. "Lighten up Francis."

edit on 10-10-2016 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:11 AM
link   
a reply to: Advantage

Then go turn yourself in if you've ever done anything illegal or possibly illegal. Otherwise, you can screw yourself. Because anything can be seen as being "suspicious". Especially if you're paranoid and scared of your own shadow.

In fact, I guess I should also report every person I see in a business suit. After all, that fits the profile of most financial criminals and highly ranked mafioso. And every time I see someone with a cowboy hat or cowboy boots, I guess I should report them too. After all, that looks really suspicious in a metropolis and it clearly fits the stereotype of a Klansman or a moonshiner.

Got a nice car? Must be from drug money so we should report it. Got more than one gun? Must be a Russian operative about to launch an uprising in America, so we should report it. Got any kind of long barreled gun that I can mistake for a sniper rifle? Clearly you're planning to assassinate someone so we should report it. Round belly? Clearly you're intentionally starving your kids (which is child endangerment), so we should report it. Wear an "a-shirt"? There's a reason they're called "wife beaters", so we should report it. Have a garden or farm? Clearly you're likely also maybe possibly growing illegal plants like opium, coca, or maryjane, so we should report it.

Of course these are all just baseless stereotypes. But turnabout's fair play, right?



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:11 AM
link   

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Gryphon66

And what would you do if you saw someone walking down the street with an AR-15 and a bag full of ammo? You'd feel fully vindicated calling the police. Trump was asking no more or no less than that.

Well that really depends on what the local "open carry" laws are doesn't it? Or is it ok to call the police on that white guy walking down the street in fatigues and a gun on his shoulder down in Alabama?



new topics

top topics



 
38
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join