CNN/ORC poll of viewers: Who won the debate? Hillary: 57% to Trump: 34%

a reply to: RedMenace16

They happen to all be asking him to let the audience member ask a question because he wouldnt stop talking out of turn. So, yes, Clinton was trying to help the debate moderators by telling Trump it was time to let the audience member ask a question. It was not about any policy of debate topic.

a reply to: kruphix

Trump definitely lost. He couldn't stop interrupting. He argued with moderators. Though a couple times, both gave answers that sounded like 'word salads', Clinton answered more clearly to more questions.

A couple things.
1) I never quite got the jokes about him having small hands. I didn't really notice them to be small. They should never give him a hand held mic. It was distracting how small his hands actually are.In coparison to his body it is a distraction.

2) He sniffed loudly throughout the entire thing, it was also distracting.

-Many things he said repeated lies and talk radio talking points. He didn;t seem to really know about foreign policy or how military operations are planned. He seemed comfortable enough rambling about th em, though.

-Every time he said 'tremendous' you knew he was lying.

-He talked about making a 'new health plan' but it would take years and years.

-He definitely lost any votes of any Muslim citizens or Black people he would have had.

- He gave 'word salad' to Mr. Carter in the audience and it showed. Clinton answered a lot better.

-Suddenly he says Captain Khan is a hero?

-Said he paid hundreds of millions in taxes??? He also said TREMENDOUS taxes and we know what that means.

-He thinks Russia is helping Syria. Holy fanboy.

-Trump says his ideas about Syria are OPPOSITE to his running mate, Pence. Not a good look.

-Hillary mentions "The Trump Effect" that does lead to bullying and divisiveness. She coined a term, a true one.

-Clinton wants to reverse Citizens United- good.

In general, Clinton had reasonable things to say and stayed seated and quiet while Trump spoke. Trump was, well, he was Trump. Can't debate if he was on fire.

It was a win for Clinton.



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Well that's funny, because in every poll I've seen, the vast majority of people think Trump won. I've seen it as high as 90% for Trump. CNN though, totally unbiased.

a reply to: reldra

You're obviously looking for a polished, professional "politician". Unfortunately, Americans are sick of being lied to by those creatures. Hence, the rise of Trump. He's an imperfect, but successful human being, who never had to clean up behind himself in order to be "accepted" by the public.

Now, Donald Trump has reached a point in his life where he wants to do things to improve America on several levels. Most Americans are brave enough, and sick enough of the status-quo, to give him the chance.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: kruphix

Trump definitely lost. He couldn't stop interrupting. He argued with moderators. Though a couple times, both gave answers that sounded like 'word salads', Clinton answered more clearly to more questions.

Thanks for posting your thought on the substance of the debate. Even if we disagree, it is nice to see people say more than just who they thought won or lost.

A couple things.
1) I never quite got the jokes about him having small hands. I didn't really notice them to be small. They should never give him a hand held mic. It was distracting how small his hands actually are.In coparison to his body it is a distraction.

2) He sniffed loudly throughout the entire thing, it was also distracting.

Sniffing is mildly annoying, I have no comment on the hands. However, neither of these influenced my opinion in any way.

-Many things he said repeated lies and talk radio talking points. He didn;t seem to really know about foreign policy or how military operations are planned. He seemed comfortable enough rambling about th em, though.

Hillary seemed even more robotic to me, just saying pre planned quotes she memorized.

As far a foreign policy, I thought his comments on Syria were the best I have heard so far.

-Every time he said 'tremendous' you knew he was lying.

People said they could tell when Hillary was lying when she had a big smile, but I don't put stock into any of that.

-He talked about making a 'new health plan' but it would take years and years.

I don't know why it would take years. he also talked about the lies about Obama care, and how it is a disaster for so many people. and how Hillary would expand the disaster. I think most people would agree with this.

-He definitely lost any votes of any Muslim citizens he would have had.

I thought that this was Trumps weakest point. He is right to bring up ISIS and the dangers of Islamic terrorism, but he could have done far better to address Islamophobia.

- It gave 'word salad' to Mr. Carter in the audience and it showed. Clinton answered a lot better.

He rambled but so did she. I felt his answer was good. he has been outreaching to inner cities and many groups. Now you may think this is shallow or hollow, but he has attempted. I think he was right to bring up Hillary not being able to unite people when she calls half of her opponents supporters deplorable.

-Suddenly he says Captain Khan is a hero?

Has he ever said otherwise? He argued with his father, and made comments about his mother not talking, but I never heard him disparage the actual captain that died.

-Said he paid hundred of millions in taxes??? He also said TREMENDOUS taxes and we know what that means.

I am sure this is true. Even if he has paid no income taxes, I am sure he has paid sales taxes, property taxes and many others.

-He thinks Russia is helping Syria. Holy fanboy.

We disagree here I guess. Apparently, you are with the Hillary strategy of continuing to arm the rebals, aka Isis in their battle with Assad, and driving us closer to a war with Russia. And I thought Trump was supposed to be the war monger.

-Trump says his idea about Syria are OPPOSITE to his running mate, Pence. Not a good look.

Great for me. Go back to the thread on the VP debate. The one thing I though Pence was bad on was the Syrian policy. The attack Russia policy is the establishment neocon policy. I think we will be better off not getting into war with Russia and arming Isis.

Remeber when we armed the rebels in Libya. How did that work out? Oh, Libya is ten times worse now, and is a hot bed for Isis. Avoiding that again seems like a good idea to me.

-Hillary mentions "The Triump Effect" that does lead to bullying and divisiveness.

Absolute garbage. Kids now are bullying because of Trump? More social justice warrior garbage.

-Clinton wants to reverse Citizens United- good.

You are probably right that this is good. However, asd Trump has pointed out, who are all of the corporations backing? And seeing as how Hillary didn't deny she has a private policy plan and a public plan, why should we believe her?

In general, Clinton had reasonable things to say and stayed seated and quiet while Trump spoke. Trump was, well h e was Trump. Can't debate if he was on fire.

It was a win for Clinton.

Again its just our opinions but I respect yours.

It seems to me though that you only said like two little things Hillary said you liked. you seemed to have decided more on how Trump handled himself more than what was said in the debate.




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a reply to: reldra

I also thought she won but not like the first debate.

What I did love though was everytime she answered a question from the audience she took charge and stepped in front of him, and the camera has no choice but to show Trump standing behind Clinton looking like a fool while she spoke.

To me that says a lot of a woman who can hang with the ultimate Alpha Male and beat him at his own game.

I seriously think Trumps sniffles are a sign of being nervous, anxious and uncomfortable.

originally posted by: trollz
Well that's funny, because in every poll I've seen, the vast majority of people think Trump won. I've seen it as high as 90% for Trump. CNN though, totally unbiased.

Keep looking. Reuters, the atlantic, US News & world report, FOX6 in Wisconsin (as Fox News.com isn;t really saying), Heavy.com, LA Times, Fortune.com, yougov.com, NY Times...I could go on


I only found tiny conservative sites saying Trump won.

originally posted by: RedMenace16
a reply to: reldra

I also thought she won but not like the first debate.

What I did love though was everytime she answered a question from the audience she took charge and stepped in front of him, and the camera has no choice but to show Trump standing behind Clinton looking like a fool while she spoke.

To me that says a lot of a woman who can hang with the ultimate Alpha Male and beat him at his own game.

I seriously think Trumps sniffles are a sign of being nervous, anxious and uncomfortable.

True. I agree with what you say. It was more difficult as Trump acted more like a manchild than the last one, but she handled it.

The sniffles could be nerves or allergies. I am not going to say he is dying of brain cancer, though. LOL

originally posted by: RedMenace16
a reply to: reldra

I also thought she won but not like the first debate.

What I did love though was everytime she answered a question from the audience she took charge and stepped in front of him, and the camera has no choice but to show Trump standing behind Clinton looking like a fool while she spoke.

To me that says a lot of a woman who can hang with the ultimate Alpha Male and beat him at his own game.

I seriously think Trumps sniffles are a sign of being nervous, anxious and uncomfortable.

Good post!

You are right that Hillary intentionally got in front of him, and I think it was a smart body language move.

However, the main stream media is acting as if Trump walked up behind her to intimidate her. They need to get their narrative straight.

Is Hillary a victim of Trumps aggressive posturing, or a shrewd intelligent lady that was playing a game with posture herself.

The media will just spin it to whatever works for them at the time I guess.

a reply to: Grambler

because they weren't smart enough to notice she moved in front. wait one of em will read your post tomorrow and use it as a talking point.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Grambler

because they weren't smart enough to notice she moved in front. wait one of em will read your post tomorrow and use it as a talking point.

Too late, I heard both of these arguments being made simultaneously by Chris Matthews panel on MSNBC.

I will say to Mathews credit, he seemed to dismiss it.

But just wait for all of the articles about how Trump was walking behind her to try and intimidate her come ut tomorrow.

a reply to: Grambler

Thank you for that thoughtful response. I am not good with multi quotes. So, I will just say a couple of things.

I think Obamacare just needs to be tweaked. 20 million new people have insurance, but I have heard, personally, form some, that their cost and deductible went up. Years? Yes. Hillary tried one as first lady and part was successful. It took a long time and many glitches to get Obamacare going. Some of the problem was that some states refused extra money for medicaid. It was free money they simply refused. It was a long process to set up and get going. We need this plan and it needs tweaking.

I don;t think anyhone believed Trump on how he 'would reach out to iner cities'. It sounded hollow. Mr. Carter seemed happier when Clinton was talking to him. And she has ACTUALLY done these things, both as a first lady and as a Senator. I live in NY.

In regard to Captian Khan, he went after the guyls parents. That was so bad.

Almost everyone pays sales tax and property tax, I do. When I turn in a W2 or 1099, I pay. This idiot gets to lose almost a billion dollars and not pay. For almost 20 years in regard to income tax. F that.

I think Pence was fine on the Syrian policy,

I don't think mean 'bullying' meant kids. It meant adults. Adults thinking it is suddenly ok to act like azzes. It's not.

If I were running for office, I might have dome private ideas. Like "I am wiccan". Or I think "the poeple on the show where there are 5 wives is fine". Though I wouldn't say it publicly. Or "I think socialism is fine". But if I were running for office, I would not say these these things nor try to implement them in any way once elected. Though it was nice when wiccan headstones were allolwed in veteran federal cemeteries. There are private and public beliefs.

I ioked almost all of what she said. I took notes. I mainly wrote down what is wrong with Trump.

Again, thank you for your comments.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Grambler

because they weren't smart enough to notice she moved in front. wait one of em will read your post tomorrow and use it as a talking point.

I would have done it. I was in Student Government in college. Student Government Secretary and Drama Club president. During debates before voting (there would only be one debate or set of speeches) immediately followed by voting. I definitely would have done that. Perfect move and allowed.

Actually, I always won. I would walk away from the podium. It would be in an auditorium, so I couldn;t get that close, but I would walk up to the front. Nothing chains you to the podium in a debate.

I don't trust CNN or any MSN network to tell us the truth.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Grambler

because they weren't smart enough to notice she moved in front. wait one of em will read your post tomorrow and use it as a talking point.

After Hillary answered a question she took her low-energy self right back to the comfy chair. Trump rarely sat. I don't know if Hillary is sick, or is allergic to "common folk". Maybe both.

originally posted by: Encryptor
I don't trust CNN or any MSN network to tell us the truth.

Fine. Then look for other sources on their opinions as to who won. If you need someone else;s opinion.

The smaller the site though, the more skewed the polls will be.

Small Conservative sites will say Trump won and by a ridiculous margin.

I haven't looked at any small Liberal sites yet. The DailyKos I think is one. I will look there.

The Daily Kos

They have a poll and a really detailed article that backs it up. 57% Clinton, 34% trump. Those are numbers I keep seeing in general.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Grambler

because they weren't smart enough to notice she moved in front. wait one of em will read your post tomorrow and use it as a talking point.

After Hillary answered a question she took her low-energy self right back to the comfy chair. Trump rarely sat. I don't know if Hillary is sick, or is allergic to "common folk". Maybe both.

She walked around quite a bit. Trump just stood there, sniffing. If you want to go low and say she is sick, I will go low and say he has sniffing cancer or somesuch.

She actually got closer to people than trump ever did.

a reply to: kruphix

The fact you used the Clinton News Network's poll actually takes any perceived credibility you may have thought you had and flushed it right down the toilet. CNN? Come on even you know better than to try and back your position with a CNN poll of all things, well unless you're wearing the full Hillary blinders. It amounts to this: Oh look Liberalland news ran a poll and it says Hillary won, imagine that. Sure didn't see that one coming.

what is with all the donald sniffing in the last 2 debates? i don't remember him doing that before? seriously, the first time he said it was a faulty mic and that he wasn't sniffing, this time what will he blame it on? is it some new condition he is developing?