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Trump easily wins 2nd debate MSM trying to spin it against him.

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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 03:32 PM
I wouldn't use that CNN poll as a sign Hillary won the debate. From the fine print...

This was my favorite MSM fact check of the evening.
edit on 10-10-2016 by Marou because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 03:49 PM
a reply to: olaru12

High Score!
Three stereotypes in just one short sentence!

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:01 PM
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Guess which polls allow multiple votes by refreshing your browser in "in-private" the Donald Supporters on reddit suggest?

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:11 PM

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

537 TOTAL VOTES posted 90 minutes AFTER the debate was over! It took CNN that long to fudge their numbers!

Apparently you are the one crunching the numbers. Why?

Ok here we go. All of your sources here are relying on two polls, the CNN poll ,and the yougov poll. Lets start with the CNN poll. They admit that the group sampled was skewed democrat. In fact according to them,

Fifty-eight percent of debate watchers said they were supporting Clinton before the debate

So 58% were Hillary before the debate, leaving just 42% that were independent or for Trump. So unsurprisingly, Hillary won that poll. What is uprising is that she only got 57% of the win, when there were 58% of the people backing her when the went into it.

Now the yougove poll. This one is a head scratcher.

Here is the PDF with the demographics of the poll.

812 people interviewed, 337 of which were democrats. That means around 42% of the people polled were Democrat. Compare this to only 31% of republican people, with the leftover 27% being independent.

So again, a heavy skew towards democrats. Despite having 41% of respondants be democrat, she only won 47% to 42%.

But here is where it gets really crazy. yougov says this about independents.

Clinton narrowly won undecideds 44% to 41%

Ok looks bad for Trump. But wait a minute, when we go to yougov own PDF on demographics for this poll, it shows this number is misleading!!

Go to question 3 on this cite that shows the demographics.

Who do you think won. Notice when it is broken down by demographics. Democrats, 82% though Hillary won, 6% thought Trump won, and 12% thought it was a tie. Republicans, 9% thought Hillary won, 81% thought Trump won, and 10% thought is was a tie.

Now the big number, independents. Remember, yougov spun it as if undecideds thought Hillary won. But whats really important is how did independents think. 36% for Hillary, 51% Trump, 13% tie.

You hget that. Trump crushed her with independants. Yougov is being intentionally misleading own their own poll!

Republicans and indepenants overwhelmingly thought Trump won, but because they sampled so many democrats, it looks like Hillary won.

It gets even better though. You know how Trump has no chance to win according the the main stream, media. The same media outlets that are touting this poll. Well lets see what the poll says about who these people are voting for.

Page 20, who do you intend to vote for?

Democrats 91% for Hillary, 5 % for Trump.

Republicans, 8% Hillary, 81% Trump

Independents, 29% Hillary, 53% Trump.

So I did some calculations. Again, Trump is way ahead with Independents and Republicans. So the very poll the main stream is advocating as proof of HIllarys dominance shows the exact opposite!

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:22 PM
a reply to: Doctor Smith

I thought his ISIS..related? defense for the tape at the beginning was very unusual.

I felt that he appealed to no one but his most loyal base and otherwise did not appear to be in any way lovable or likeable or knowledgeable or as someone representing a policy platform.

As someone else said, she might have gone easy on him to keep him in the race in case he might have been forced to withdraw by the Publican Party, and to avoid looking like an angry or hateful witch bitch, but she really ought to have taken him out to the woodshed, but what she wanted to avoid I think was a shouting match, which the town hall forum
doesn't lend itself well to.

But by all means go ahead and spin it as if he "won", but I have to say that if that's the best of the best that he's got, then he's not President material.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:40 PM
a reply to: Grambler

This is it exactly. They are trying to disenfranchise voters Brexit style. It's not going to work though. They think they have much more control than they actually do.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:51 PM
Hillary easily won the first debate. I'd call this second one more of a draw. And this is coming from a Trump voter. Why? Quite simply, he isn't Hillary. Much more than that of course, but that's simply enough.

In the first one, Hillary was cool as a cucumber, and basically was handed that all she had to do was just stay upright. The next one though, both lost their cool, and Trump gave zingers as good or better than he got. (that jail comment was just an epic

But, Trump's his own worst enemy, and I seriously doubt there's anything he could do to swing enough electoral votes to pull it out. From here, it's really just already decided, and we're simply dancing to the dog and pony show.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:55 PM
"He sent among them swarms of flies, which devoured them, and frogs, which destroyed them." Psalm 78:45

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:03 PM
a reply to: Doctor Smith

Hey...Whatever keeps you stable during the day or night, or whenever...Trump winning this...that's a hoot...thanks for the giggles...much appreciated.


posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:08 PM

originally posted by: Konduit
"He sent among them swarms of flies, which devoured them, and frogs, which destroyed them." Psalm 78:45

then walked around the desert for forty years.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:09 PM
I guess my main question is, has Trump as of yet effectively and authentically apologized with contrition for the tape release, or denied doing what he said he did, because that thing just EXPLODED from Friday through Sunday?

Has he addressed that and put it behind him, or was the trotting out of the women before the debate supposed to take care of that on some moral equivalency basis?

Because if any accusers come out of the woodwork this week, then he'd be in big trouble.

I think his ISIS reference in response to the tape question was some sort of coded plea, which he kind of slammed the door on with reference to putting Hillary in jail.

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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:16 PM

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
Yes ONLINE. That is where and what you are doing right now. Trump scares you and yet Hillary has people killed. ATS sounds like the wrong website for you.

A) You have no idea what a scientific and credible poll is.
B) I have no idea what you mean about Hillary Clinton having people killed, other than yet more rubbish pulled from the Trumpverse.
C) Trump is a bloviating imbecile who lies about once every minute and a half, makes no sense the other times and who seems to think that the Presidency would give him dictatorial powers.
D) I like this website just fine and I'm not going away.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:02 PM
No. He did not win the debate. He might have won laughing stock of the year.
But not the debate.

You. Are. Delusional.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:08 PM
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
These debates cannot be lost, or won, because there are no specific criteria to determine a victor.

However, whether the debate has had any influence on voters can be determined. Give it a few days for those polls to be taken. Did Hillary lose support? Did Trump gain support? Because that is really the point of the debate, to give voters a look at their options.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:15 PM
a reply to: Phage

You're right. I was looking at it from a successful conversation point of view. He is incapable of speaking in coherent sentences that end with a period. He babbles and throws out sound bytes, disjointed thoughts, phrases, asides, tangential remarks, and entirely off-topic declarations that are impertinent at best, and utterly false at worst.

The man cannot listen. He can only think about what he's going to say next. When the moderators have to YELL AT HIM to get him to stop interrupting, to state his strategy, to stay on point, when everyone is laughing at what a dope he sounds like.....there is no "polling" that matters.

He is incapable of having a serious conversation.
The first question was about how the election is serving as an example for our nation's youth. She answered it. HE ENTIRELY IGNORED IT.

I'm sad that the people on this forum are so incapable of recognizing absolute rubbish. He speaks word salad. He stalks around on the stage, brandishing his mic like gang-bangers do their guns....

just to interrupt and make retarded 'nu-uhh!'-type remarks.

He's an idiot. A rich, spoiled, pampered, immature, fast-talking buffoon.
THAT is a fact.

It wasn't a debate anyway - it was trash TV a la United States politics. It was was real life, but almost as funny as an SNL skit. And he doesn't even realize it.

You, of all people, know this, Phage. Right?

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:19 PM
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Well, it was not a formal debate, no. But this one did have a format that may have been more relateable to than the first one did.

Oh, you left out "fat."

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:22 PM
And the alternative is?

Just as bad or worse.

Go with the man - stick with your x-chromosomes.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:24 PM
a reply to: Drawsoho


posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:25 PM
a reply to: Phage

He's not fat. And not one thing I said about him was false. But if they've pulled you onto their side, then never mind.

posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 06:28 PM
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

He is fat. His doctor says so.
And, no, I will not be voting for him. Neither this debate, nor the previous one, have given me reason to decide otherwise.

edit on 10/10/2016 by Phage because: (no reason given)

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