originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: Bedlam
Discounting ionising plasma then and any theoretical none existing physics or made up quantum "insert theory" BS - what is left?
I'm talking about a known, repeatable phenomena in physics that doesn't require a leap of faith. Is there anything that could interfere with a car
engine in your opinion.
Do you believe that magnetics could be strong enough to:
- stop the engine
- yet not leave a residual magnetic feat
- and not induce currents that would cause permanent damage
It's a problem.
You have to pick where you put your cut line here. Given 'super science', that is, anything I can guess that's not obviously impossible as far as we
know if you could DO it, then it's still tough.
The problem is, there are non-dead people in the vicinity. You could posit a lot of things that would stop a 1950's car, but most of them also stop
the 1950's people, permanently. People have electrochemical processes in every cell. Lots of them. And if you screw with them much, it's tango
uniform, sad to say. So whatever it is, a hard fact is that the people didn't die right off. Did they die soon after, or tend to live to the average
age? I don't know.
The cars are also not melted, which is an issue. If you were using colossal time-varying magnetic fields for some purpose, the cars would heat like an
induction furnace. So that's out.
No huge arcs, no hair standing on end, so probably no massive electrical fields.
In order to make the air conductive enough to short out a 12V system, you'd have to convert it to a plasma, and keep it there, and the people didn't
die and didn't report being inside a neon light. So that's out.
So. How do you stop a pretty simple 12V system. It would be more straightforward to guess at if they weren't reporting the headlights going on and
off. That's pretty much an electrochemical power source, the battery, hooked through a copper circuit to an incandescent bulb. So, to stop that one,
you either have to stop the current from flowing in the loop, maybe you could dick with the Poynting vector so that the potential didn't cause net
electron motion. But that would kill the people. Your cells shuttle electrons around like mad for energy. And that's how muscles and neurons work,
sort of. If you couldn't propagate potential, you would die. So it's probably not that.
If you could screw with Drude gas, so that electron flow didn't cause heating (sort of like making the wiring superconductive) the bulb would go out.
I'm not sure how that would affect live things. It would totally short out the battery in a way that would discharge it nearly instantly, though, at
least it seems it should. And then you can't explain 'everything resumed working'. That is a problem with a lot of ways to do this. Not dying, and
Screwing with reaction rates so that the battery doesn't make any power, that should kill the people.
What about big, time varying ripples in the value of relative permeability? If the lights on the car didn't go out but just dimmed, maybe you could
think the car wiring was creating a sort of inductive kickback to DC flow while the permeability was changing. I don't think common EE math covers
what happens if you've got a stock battery-wire-bulb thing and there's a big uncontrolled change in the nature of the space itself. But if it was too
big, you'd be able to see it, maybe, as visual distortion. And I'm not sure what it would do to people.