The ‘Tex’-Files : Engine Stopping UFO - Levelland, Texas 1957

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Very interesting. I wrote my post before reading yours, but essentially yes, this is my understanding. Using magnetics we would be looking at something extreme, and if it were an EMP then it would permanently disable those systems.

One thing we do not see is damage to high tension power lines or local transformers overloading in any of the many 'car failure' cases, including the various car / TV interference incidents surrounding RFI.

originally posted by: Phage
Any cases of aircraft engines shutting down in flight, associated with a sighting? Libya?

The Tehran 1976 case involved the pilot(s) losing some level of control of their aircraft when approaching a UFO.

a reply to: mirageman

One suggestion is that it's not magnetics but ionised air, as the electrical system comes within a 30 meter radius of the UFO phenomena. This could easily apply in the Iranian situation.

a reply to: ctj83
Was the F4 that close?


This stuff with car engines seems different.

a reply to: Phage

Perhaps disrupted airflow. Again, magnetics seems an unlikely explanation as the systems would be fried not disabled.

a reply to: mirageman

Interesting to note the presence of Dr Menzel...

a reply to: ctj83

One suggestion is that it's not magnetics but ionised air,

I will have to leave ATS for the evening now. But could you expand on this ctj?

a reply to: mirageman

There has been quite a few if memory recalls, when some aspect of an airplane, a function or other has been impacted by a ufo. I can't be specific at the moment, but I do recall some others too. Some from a way back, like 70's or 80's or there abouts.

a reply to: mirageman

I believe that NICAP advanced a theory that ionised air could short out certain types of circuitry, particularly spark plugs. Essentially, the system arcs due to the air being ionised and therefore conductive. The result of conductive air is the system is grounded because of the ionisation, preventing it functioning.

a reply to: mirageman

Examples of possible vehicles using ionisation:

- Bennewitz's photos of plasma craft (corona)
- Ray Stanford's supposed aero spike craft sightings
- The RFI craft that gave static electric sensations in RFI
- The PC Alan Godfrey craft

Examples of posible plasma ball craft:

- Shag Harbor
- RFI
- Berwyn
- Welsh Triangle
- Various Hastings reports

Proposal. The ball craft and the ionisation craft are one and the same. The easiest way to ensure even distribution of ionisation would be a spherical shape.

a reply to: ctj83

Good observation.

Any brute force field would almost certainly cause damage as you say.

EMPs destroy circuits not suppresses them.

And sparks and gaps...that is even more interesting.

Kev

a reply to: ctj83

Arent there many cases of "far off lights" causing engine stalls?

I don't buy the ionized air theory....unless square miles of ozone were also present...and people would smell that quite clearly.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Arent there many cases of "far off lights" causing engine stalls?

So, if the lights are far off, why associate them with a stalled engine instead of a bad battery connection?

a reply to: Phage

Of course.

But bad battery cables dont make for much of a tall tale!

I was just noting that the ionized air theory would be highly range dependent.

Or else people miles away would be choking on ozone.

Its hard to correlate objective patterns in these cases.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I believed ionized air would be problematic on several levels. Depends upon how far you're willing to take the speculation.

Containment.
The amount of power required.
The heating effect of that power...

a reply to: Phage

Definitely.

a reply to: Phage

But in 1957 cars didn't use electronics. Points and plugs. Not sure how one would disable then re-enable them.

One person noticed his ammeter rising and falling. Induced current surging through wire conductors could stall an engine. Maybe not instantly, but disturbing the timing of the spark plugs could stall an engine out.

Some form of EMP is my guess.

originally posted by: verschickter
...although the old planes didn´t use any electronics, they used electricity to ignite the cylinders.

Urm...how DOES one create the high voltage needed to fire the spark plug?

a reply to: Bedlam

Frequencies.

originally posted by: ctj83
Essentially, the system arcs due to the air being ionised and therefore conductive. The result of conductive air is the system is grounded because of the ionisation, preventing it functioning.

To achieve that level of ionization, you'd have to be in a plasma ball, like being inside a neon light. It doesn't hang together. Plus the recombination time of STP air is pretty damned fast.