Is Donald Trump a Russian Spy?

I'm sorry, I tried this in another forum last night but that forum was interested in making it a right vs left Hillary vs Donald debate. I have changed it some, added more parts. I don't want to police people to stay on topic. I barely received one on topic response, so I am posting this conspiracy here where I hope it will get some serious thought and commentary. What would be Putin's ultimate goal? What would he want to achieve? Would he blow us all up? Invade Europe? Please... think about it.

It is possible that we are in the midst of an incredible conspiracy unfolding. This could be the biggest conspiracy ever perpetrated on the American people. Trump may very well have been turned by Putin. I don't know if it's Melania, Ivanka, both, or money and greed, and possibly women or young girls thrown in with that. I am saying this for reasons beyond simply throwing mud at Trump. Think about this objectively for a minute.
Trump's rise to popularity seems aided by an unexplainable force. He has taken the United States by surprise. Seemingly effortlessly. Is there a secret guiding force to his genius? Could it be Putin standing behind the curtain of Oz?

I want you to talk about Putin's goals or his methods if this is true. But, I feel the need to convince you, so I will point out some things that made me wonder. Has anyone else had their suspicions about Trump and Putin?

Donald Trump is a man with a secret. That secret is buried in his tax returns. But, there are other little mysteries surrounding this man. Why would a guy who loves to spend other people's money be financing his own campaign? Why would a guy who says he is always telling us the truth lie about hiding his tax returns?
There are too many inconsistencies about Trump. We know that he is in debt to China for about $150 million and we know he has some loans from Russia, but we don't know how much- that is a closely guarded secret. We know he hates to pay his loans and will gladly partake in any deal to reduce his debts. He is proud of his ability to take advantage of people to make money. Most of his supporters call him smart for doing this.
We know Paul Manafort resigned from his "job" because of his ties to Putin's puppet government, and he was the recipient of dark money. We know that Paul was working free of charge, despite being one of the most expensive advisors and, being well connected to Russia, should not be on any nominee's presidential campaign staff.
We also know that Trump claimed both to know Putin, and then recently, not to know him. We know his daughter Ivanka vacationed recently with Putin's girlfriend. We know that at Trump's elite golf course in Dubai, Trump vacations with Russian dignitaries and Saudi royalty.
Maybe Trump found a "silent partner" to pay off his Chinese and Russian debt and to pay for his campaign.
Both Putin and Trump are nearing the end of their careers and they share together a desire to be in the White House. Perhaps Trump found a way, with a little help from his Russian dictator sponsor, to run for President. The idea is so simple and so bold and obvious that it is practically invisible! It seems too obvious to be true. Yet, we know that Putin does not respect Clinton. If Clinton is weaker, why is Putin helping the Republicans by hacking the DNC? It would seem that he is placing a lot of trust in a man who claims to be a very tough negotiator. That might indicate there is cooperation between Putin and Trump.
Trump could easily make a deal to share the Top Secret Presidential briefings that he gets as one of the major party nominees. That would go a long way to paying off some of that debt. This information alone could reveal the most guarded secrets of our highest levels of intelligence. Entire networks could collapse based off such high level information.
I find it interesting that Putin would choose to interfere in our elections at this stage in his life. I don't think he would gamble with the possibility of US retaliation, something which could hurt his legacy if there was not a good possibility of great reward. We don't know when this started. Maybe Melania is a honey pot and led him down this shadowy path. Maybe it started with his big loan from China, or sometime in Dubai he was blackmailed? It is hard to know because Trump is guarding details of his possible conflicts of interests. But I don't see Putin as a gambler when it comes to foreign politics. I think he has an arrangement with Trump. Hard to believe Trump would casually ask Russia to hack the DNC and it happens "coincidentally" ...often he is telling the truth even when he jokes.
I am not saying this to smear him. So please do not make this about Hillary in return. There are thousands of places to talk about Hillary's conspiracy theories. Let's discuss a possible Trump conspiracy of the highest order.
edit on 9-10-2016 by SmashnGrab because: Clarity and grammar

a reply to: SmashnGrab

A spy? No.

The tool for a fifth column? Definitely.

back on ATS again... Just to hear something different than MSM... no luck the same humdrum..


Yes trump is a russian spy
And he also got pegged by hillary
Julian Assange told me...
pff....

A russkie spy eh, never really thought about that like it could be possible how everything is set up, but I'd think more likely a sleeper agent, it could make sense what with Putin being ex KGB the Russians could have planned to destroy America from inside out by using someone so stereotypically American that no one would see it coming, guess its time to brush up on the lyrics to the soviet anthem and hope trump isn't in ear shot when somebody says "Gosh that Italian family at the next table sure is quiet".

I drank a beer with DJ one time, and he said "Na Zdorovie".
So he 's gota be , right ??

Buck

originally posted by: frenchfries
back on ATS again... Just to hear something different than MSM... no luck the same humdrum..

In the face of all the evidence, what is it you wanted to hear?

Trump's opponent is the Democratic Party. Russia is in a cold war over Syria, a cold war against the Democratic Party. Russia shelters "whistleblowers" which keep on attacking the Democratic Party. Russia and Trump share not only business, they also share common interests. Russia has been trying for a long time to get a foothold on US political system; and example is the Russia-funded CPUSA american party. Now Trump is best pals with Putin. When Trump wishes that the Democratic Party gets hacked, surprise, it gets hacked by Russia and her army of Anonymous.

Even ostriches could see the link here.

If we're going to talk about Trump being an "in" for Russia, then we have to suspect Hillary of the same. She has been caught in her pay to play scheme, so if Trump is backing Russia, you really need to ask yourself, which of several countries that have donated hundreds of millions to the Clinton Foundation, is she in the pocket of and what are her intentions.

a reply to: swanne

Funny you should mention cpusa. Milwaukee seems to have a little renaissance of sorts of communist literature (free of course) floating about the coffee shops and diners of the city. Maybe because it is election year and particularly because it is such a disappointing cast of characters.

It would be a candidate like Trump who could send the USA running into the arms of communism. His over the top, capitalistic turned hedonist take on your system is repulsive and could create a generation of rebels who reject the baby boomers gone wild culture Trump represents. Putin might see Trump as his gift to the USA. Turning us away from our evil ways.

a reply to: DAVID64

You can start your own thread if you want to obsess about Hillary and Russia. Plenty of people will join you. It's a very well hashed out theme that has been around for a long time. Run along... be free...
I know it's hard for some to stop obsessing about Clinton. So, go do it. Make up your own thread.

a reply to: The Arbiter of Lies

Yeah and it would be just the thing. The kids are repulsed by him. What could be more rebellious than going against President Trump's robber baron style. It was the era after the robber barons that birthed the new deal. Maybe Putin sees himself as giving birth to a new era of socialism?

Or maybe he just wants to invade Europe.

loll no moore communisme in Russia....!
oure system is also poore....
weak leaders who are buying them in for "leadership " mostly corrupt as they are...
the only reason that we are told that the russians are bad ...is the fact that the USA has no political power anymoore in russia
as in the time of Gorbatschov and jeltzin.....
Putin is succesfully defending Russia from the hunger of the US world supremacy....
Nato stands at the Russian borders by now !
wat should mr Putin do ? kneeling in front of Trump ore HIllary ?????
you think we have an better world then????????

keep Always chaplins movie 1980 in mind....!

a reply to: ressiv

What do you think Putin do if he had control of our President? Would he want to take over Europe? Or would he want to make the US more like Russia??

a reply to: SmashnGrab

Trump a Russian spy? No, Russian spies are generally competent.

originally posted by: SmashnGrab
a reply to: ressiv

What do you think Putin do if he had control of our President? Would he want to take over Europe? Or would he want to make the US more like Russia??

He would absorb the rest of Ukraine and the Baltic states, then go to war with Iran over Central Asia and the Gulf. He would also expand Russian arms sales into markets currently dominated by the United States. He would continue to encourage factionalism in the United States to prevent it from rallying behind strong leadership that is willing to confront him. You don't need to be an intelligence analyst to see that.

a reply to: DJW001

But he could have a purpose you don't understand. One of the greatest skills of the Con artist is to inflate the confidence of others through appearing weaker or dumber, lulling your mark(s) into a false sense of security. "He is too dumb to lie to me," or "I would know if he tried to lie because I am smarter than hm."

what differences are there actuall now between Russia and the US...
both are democraties !
its just an system....and certainly not the best ! .....
the system serves the voters an bowl of apple's and you may pick the best of it... you will not find an orange ore other fruit in it !
if an good leader gets to strong we call him an dictator...and whipe it out...
look wat prosparity there is now Irak Afghanistan Libia sudan ect.. after we ( the west ) gave then "democratie "
loll its just not working..... !

the west is financial and political at the brink of there end... clouwns as trump ore hillary makes no difference anymoore....
a reply to: SmashnGrab

a reply to: SmashnGrab

Trump isa useful idiot for Russia. They love chaos for their rivals and enemies. Old Trump threatening to isolate and humiliate America by pure arrogance will warm Vlad's heart if he has one.

The Donald's big mouth is to blame. The Russians don't have to pay for the level of accident prone the guy shows. He's so bad I'm waiting for him to stand on a garden rake.

You've thought good and hard and made a good case. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar and a useful idiot like Trump can't help himself.

a reply to: ressiv

what differences are there actuall now between Russia and the US...
both are democraties !

No they are not. The United States is a republic, Russia is fascist.

its just an system....and certainly not the best ! .....

What system would you prefer?

the system serves the voters an bowl of apple's and you may pick the best of it... you will not find an orange ore other fruit in it !

At least the voters get some fruit in their diets. Every once in a while oranges do come into season.

if an good leader gets to strong we call him an dictator...and whipe it out...

What do you mean "we" kimosabe?

wrong wrong wrong.....thats exactly wat the west will you do believe....
and you felled for it...no ..its just fearmongering from the west .to justify there moves to the last part of the former warschaw pact.....
just why would Putin put his head in an hornet-nest... knowing the fact that the US is also defeated on such fronts... sudan Afghanistan Lybia Syria Iran ect...a reply to: DJW001

a reply to: ressiv

Right: Russia loves not having any year round ports.