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Wikileaks Podesta email leak Edgar Mitchell ETI claim

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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
With Dr. Mitchell, it was always a case of "I know a guy who says he has evidence that alien visitation real". Sometimes it was even "I know a guy who says he knows a guy who says alien visitation is real"

There has never been aby smoking gun when it came to Dr. Mitchell's evidence. he was basically some guy who was interested in the idea of alien visitation who did a lot of second-hand investigating into alien visitation.

Sure -- he was an astronaut, but his position as astronaut did not make him privy to secret information about alien visitation. All of his evidence is from after he left NASA, and was all gathered from hearsay.



True enough, but if you consider things from his view, that he had close friends or associates in the industry of space related technologies, who had top secret clearances and need to know about these things, then that is what he seems to be referring to. But on the other hand, if one is to never consider these kinds of sources or people, then that is were the story ends. So it is all up to the individual to either believe what he said, or not. Not a problem then.


Again, He even said that he did NOT learn any secrets about alien visitation during his time as an astronaut, and the stuff he's investigated since after his time as an astronaut is hearsay.

When it comes to belief, I believe that Dr. Mitchell himself believed in alien visitation, as do many people who were not once astronauts. However, none of the evidence he had presented in support of the ide of alien visitation made me think that it was really occurring. Perhaps he believed what other people were telling him, but it's also possible that Mitchell put too much faith into that hearsay from others. Mitchell himself may have been susceptible to confirmation bias -- i.e., blindly believing what others tell him because he desperately wants to believe what they are saying.

Maybe alien visitation is occurring, but Mitchell's evidence (nor the evidence from anyone else) hasn't convinced me that it is necessarily so.


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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: klassless...

The article is slightly longer, but too long for the ATS word limit. Go to the above URL link to finish reading how absurd Mitchell became. ....



The absurdity of Mitchell's post hoc creative redefinition of 'hit' is underscored by the hilarious fact that to achieve the impressive 'results' he had to assign 'receptions' by different ground participants to DIFFERENT 'sendings' from space, even when those receptions were occurring simultaneously back on Earth -- somehow the psi-effect channeled his sendings from the future into different brains simultaneously.

It's no wonder Mitchell and his supporters didn't want the public at large to be able to read the original report.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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Nice discussion on Psi/ESP but I thought we were talking about whether the US Gov, or some shadow group or special access project has positive proof of "ETI" as suggested by Edgar Mitchell? Does this count (2nd page bullet items a-b-c-d)?

Top Secret 1951 Smith Memo

The financial, technology (weaponization potential, disruptive impacts), political, and sociological motivations to ultra-classify information on this subject seem pretty self-evident to me. It also has a lot of utility as a disinfo cover to obscure other purely terrestrial programs. You can also mix and match both dynamics, to create near-impenetrable confusion and deniablity. Given all that, whistleblowers become a natural proxy for confirmation. In my opinion, there are so many credible first-hand whistleblower accounts already available that it's a no brainer, unless you insist on clinging to outdated epistemological assumptions.

Take just one example--guy attends a meeting in DC to show radar tapes of massive UFO in Alaska, visually confirmed by experienced commercial pilots. "CIA" guy stands up and says, this meeting never happened, you are all sworn to secrecy on this classified topic, and hand me those tapes. One pilot files a report on the event, looses his job. The end.

Some people's behavior suggests that they would need a near-infinite number of these kinds of anecdotes before they will seriously entertain the thesis. Seems kind of ridiculous or intellectually disingenuous to me. To me, where there's smoke, there's a high probability of fire.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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This is an old one.

https:// wiki - org /plusd/cables/1978USUNN05425_d.html

Quick Snip from email -

"REPORTS HAD BEEN ASSEMBLED FROM 133 COUNTRIES. IN SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS, THESE REPORTS HAD BEEN MADE BY HIGHLY
RESPONSIBLE PERSONS -- ASTRONAUTS, RADAR EXPERTS, MILITARY
AND COMMERCIAL PILOTS, OFFICIALS OF GOVERNMENTS AND
SCIENTISTS, INCLUDING ASTRONOMERS. HYNEK CONCLUDED BY
POINTING OUT THAT THERE ARE MANY SCIENTISTS AND SPECIALISTS
AROUND THE WORLD WHO ARE STUDYING THE UFO PHENOMENON BUT
THEY HAD NO MEANS, EITHER GOVERNMENTAL OR PRIVATE, BY
WHICH THEY COULD SHARE THE RESULTS OF THEIR WORK."
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posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:22 PM
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Related to Wikileaks but not Edgar Mitchell.

Tom DeLonge has also been posting emails to John Podesta. Seemingly he is involved in a project with a current USAF Major General (we even have his name). It links back to the Roswell incident if the emails are genuine.

The USAF profile even (circumstantially) checks out.




“He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware- as he was in charge of all of the stuff. When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base


See this thread for details : www.abovetopsecret.com... .



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: MagicCow
This is an old one.

.....


Ho-hum, a rewrite of public statements....

the only connection to Mitchell seems to be
the message's claim that "COOPER HAD OBSERVED FORMATIONS
OF UFO'S IN 1951, BUT INDICATED MOST ASTRONAUTS WERE
RELUCTANT TO DISCUSS THE SUBJECT BECAUSE OF THE
CHICANERY WHICH HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH IT."

... even though what Cooper reported didn't even fit Hynek's
definition of 'UFO' earlier in the same message.

What Cooper had actually written was garbled, here are
his words: "I would also like to point out that most astronauts
are very reluctant to even discuss UFO's due to the great numbers
of people who have indiscriminately sold fake stories and
forged documents abusing their names and reputations
without hesitation."

Mitchell probably agreed with that, he and Cooper were
close teammates during Apollo training in 1968-9, before
Cooper was quietly dismissed from the astronaut corps.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:26 PM
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There are two things here which cast a reasonable amount of doubt to this issue as far as I can tell:

1. People don't believe Mitchell's claims because of his affiliations and personal convictions.

2. This e-mail does not come from Mitchell's personal e-mail address.

Two issues with these two points:

1. Nobody but Edgar Mitchell and those that were with him for his experiences know the validity of Edgar Mitchell's assertions. You can have a good reason for believing he's a looney tune, but that doesn't make you correct.

2. While these e-mails don't come from his personal e-mail address, he does make a few mentions to Terri herself:


My Catholic colleague Terri Mansfield will be there too, to bring us up to date on the Vatican’s awareness of ETI.



I appreciate Eryn’s assistance in working with Terri to set up our meeting.



PS Terri’s cousin by marriage and former Mayor of Chicago Jane Byrne died recently. Raum Emmanuel was at her funeral.


This still has my brain spinning though, if not even moreso.

Isn't is Rahm* Emmanuel?

Was Mitchell ever involved with Terri's organization?

Did Podesta and Mitchell ever have any notable conversation on record?

UPDATE:

Edgar Mitchell's Section On Terri's Website

here's Mitchell pictured with Terri, following a walkthrough on his ideas about zero point energy.

I sent an e-mail to her e-mail address on the contact-us page, in attempts to further go deeper into this rabbit hole.

Will update if I hear a response back!
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edit on 10-10-2016 by facedye because: grammar



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 05:43 PM
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I havent got time to go throutgh the whole thread tonight so i am sorry if anyone has already posted any of this.Its what i have come across from todays leaks,i posted it on r/thedonald on reddit but ithink its more suited here.

Podesta has been a long time advocate of releasing ufo documents,it was the one thing the Clinton campaign has said that interested me.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

When he last left the white house he said that his biggest disappointment was not securing the release of ufo documents.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Was he just pandering to the ufo community ?

Is the ufo community big enough to bother pandering to?

Here is an interveiw with Mitchell from 2008 when he admits that aliens exist and that they have covered up by goverments for 30 plus years.

www.youtube.com...

Here is an email from the last set of leaks that is alleged to be from Edgar mitchell (the 6th man on the moon).It talks about a war in space,zero point energy,treaties with aliens,all sorts of crazy #.

Dear John, Because the War in Space race is heating up, I felt you should be aware of several factors as you and I schedule our Skype talk. Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space. The following information in italics was shared with me by my colleague Carol Rosin, who worked closely for several years with Wernher von Braun before his death. Carol and I have worked on the Treaty on the Prevention of the Placement of Weapons in Outer Space, attached for your convenience.

https://__._/podesta-emails/emailid/1802

And here is what i have come across from todays leaks regarding ufos.

This one seems to be discussing a tv appearance or interview of some kind given by pedesta.

https://__._/podesta-emails/emailid/2505

This email is from former Blink 182 singer Tom Delonge,now a ufo chaser/journalist discussing another interview that Pedesta gave him and asking to arrange a meeting between pedesta and 2 vips.

Here is the copy and pasted email.

Hi John- Tom DeLonge here, The one who interviewed you for that special documentary not to long ago. Things are moving with the project. The Novels, Films and NonFiction works are blooming and finishing. Just had a preliminary meeting with Spielberg's Chief Operating Officer at DreamWorks. More meetings are now on the books- I would like to bring two very "important" people out to meet you in DC. I think you will find them very interesting, as they were principal leadership relating to our sensitive topic. Both were in charge of most fragile divisions, as it relates to Classified Science and DOD topics. Other words, these are A-Level officials. Worth our time, and as well the investment to bring all the way out to you. I just need 2 hours from you. Just looking to have a casual, and private conversation in person.

This email appears to confirm the meeting.

https://__._/podesta-emails/emailid/2635

And this third email is the most interesting one in my opinion from today's leaks.

It is discussing a high ranking general involved in the roswell crash,it seems he is working on the project with Delong and Pedesta.

He mentioned he's a "skeptic", he's not. I've been working with him for four months. I just got done giving him a four hour presentation on the entire project a few weeks ago.

Trust me, the advice is already been happening on how to do all this. He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware- as he was in charge of all of the stuff. When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. General McCasland was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple years ago. He not only knows what I'm trying to achieve, he helped assemble my advisory team. He's a very important man.

https://__._/podesta-emails/emailid/3099

So it looks as likes Pedesta is working on some sort of a movie with Delong.

Could it be his reward of Hillary,the fufilment of a life time ambition to secure the release of ufo documents?



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: facedye
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1. Nobody but Edgar Mitchell and those that were with him for his experiences know the validity of Edgar Mitchell's assertions. You can have a good reason for believing he's a looney tune, but that doesn't make you correct.

....


That's why I think his Apollo-14 ESP paper is so crucial to calibrating his grip on reality.



posted on Oct, 10 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: thebabyseagull



Could it be his reward of Hillary,the fufilment of a life time ambition to secure the release of ufo documents?


Or could it be that Podesta is using DeLonge to surface UFO distraction material in the mainstream media, by having input into his documentary?

I mean, of all the real-world people you might approach to get your message out, you have to admit that Mr DeLonge is a bit of a wild card. But if you were planning to get UFO disinformation into circulation among young people who probably have some interest in UFOs already, then Mr DeLonge (whose interest is no secret from his fans) would be the ideal conduit.

TL;DR - DeLonge is being used.



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: JimOberg

will be sure to read up on this and get back to you!

thank you.



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 12:08 AM
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originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: MagicCow
This is an old one.

.....


Ho-hum, a rewrite of public statements....

the only connection to Mitchell seems to be
the message's claim that "COOPER HAD OBSERVED FORMATIONS
OF UFO'S IN 1951, BUT INDICATED MOST ASTRONAUTS WERE
RELUCTANT TO DISCUSS THE SUBJECT BECAUSE OF THE
CHICANERY WHICH HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH IT."

... even though what Cooper reported didn't even fit Hynek's
definition of 'UFO' earlier in the same message.

What Cooper had actually written was garbled, here are
his words: "I would also like to point out that most astronauts
are very reluctant to even discuss UFO's due to the great numbers
of people who have indiscriminately sold fake stories and
forged documents abusing their names and reputations
without hesitation."

Mitchell probably agreed with that, he and Cooper were
close teammates during Apollo training in 1968-9, before
Cooper was quietly dismissed from the astronaut corps.


Well, that just proves that some individuals shouldn't babble about something they haven't experienced. Sure, you can have an opinion but if it's not based on first-hand experience then you are just perpetuating hearsay. UFOs are part of our life, we cannot get away from them. They are the world's greatest mystery and no one can claim they know more than what is in the public record. Astronauts can discuss UFOs because it is a popular topic. But don't start giving credence to hearsay and put your reputation on the line because it's gonna come back to you and then you become defensive. Mitchell and Cooper were the violatorss of common sense.

Cooper and others may have seen UFOs while flying, they wouldn't be alone. But most pilots don't embellish their reports so that they are more acceptable as actual sightings. But when you step over the line ...



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 12:15 AM
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to be honest ladies and gentlemen, in hindsight, i'm not sure what i was expecting to receive. however, she did respond back.

the plot thickens?

i've included a link to the picture in case it's too small to read.



Terri Mansfield Response



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 12:20 AM
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a reply to: facedye

So, she directs all correspondence to Carol Rosin?

I cant take the rest of that seriously, lol.

Obedient aliens, who do Gods will....???


Great work there by the way

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posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: facedye

1. Nobody but Edgar Mitchell and those that were with him for his experiences know the validity of Edgar Mitchell's assertions. You can have a good reason for believing he's a looney tune, but that doesn't make you correct.

snip



Since I've been the loudest voice on this forum (and others) to call Mitchell a looney tune I gotta tell you your sentence doesn't make sense. If I have good reason based on what I've read and what I've heard Mitchell say and I can see that by his almost incoherent babbling about UFOs, alleged aliens, alleged secret government documents, etcetera, then those are very good reasons to come to the conclusion that Mitchell was not all there, he was looney!

The world knows about his superb accomplishments and he will be respected for that. But when goes off-field and makes ridiculous supportive statements of things we know about better, especially those of us who are UFO witnesses and are qualified to discuss them, then he opens himself up to well-earned criticisms. And I'm not alone, many on this forum agree that he lost it. I've already posted some of his ridiculous comments.

Edgar Mitchell was a perfect example of the mental weakness of being a believer. If I had met him I would have set him on a straight path. I cannot say that I could equal his mental prowess but he would have learned what it's like to be a questioning individual, a skeptic, and without a belief system. Don't tell me about the evidence, show it to me.



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: burntheships

you know, i'm with you on this, i don't know what the hell to make of that response.

should have seen it coming!

leave it to a murky situation to muddy itself up some more by nature.

EDIT:

unfortunately, it seems to me like this is a fork in the road.

either they're all crazy, or we have some new lingo to catch up on.

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posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 08:16 AM
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This thread is going in interesting and productive directions, I'm grateful to all contributors. ALL.



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: skyblueworld....

And then there is you Gortex, an anonymous nobody on a conspiracy forum.



When YOU looked over his Apollo-14 ESP report, what was YOUR impression of his scientific rigor?


That has nothing to do with this thread, how about staying in line with the site rules for once Jim?

Mods why do you allow this man to thread drift??



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: AutOmatIc

When you filter the emails on certain keywords like UFO & Aliens, the emails that remain look like the emails that typically end up in my spam folder...
But as everybody knows, sometimes you have to check the spam folder for those important emails that never arrived in your inbox...



posted on Oct, 11 2016 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: audubon
a reply to: thebabyseagull



Could it be his reward of Hillary,the fufilment of a life time ambition to secure the release of ufo documents?


Or could it be that Podesta is using DeLonge to surface UFO distraction material in the mainstream media, by having input into his documentary?

I mean, of all the real-world people you might approach to get your message out, you have to admit that Mr DeLonge is a bit of a wild card. But if you were planning to get UFO disinformation into circulation among young people who probably have some interest in UFOs already, then Mr DeLonge (whose interest is no secret from his fans) would be the ideal conduit.

TL;DR - DeLonge is being used.




interesting view, and one that has had me scratching my head for a while, i mean, all these email leaks etc, have we stopped to think , and seriously had a good think , that maybe , just maybe , that all these emails and the information were meant to be found by hackers ? who best to direct disinformation to than the younger generation who are in all fairness easily manipulated and who very rarely question the manipulation in the first place. my teenage daughter is a great example of she knows best and "i just dont get it"

i feel that DeLonge is probably being used, but who isn't?




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