If Jesus is God's Son...

a reply to: Malocchio

Jesus is not a symbol for an individual - Jesus 'the son of God' is what is appearing - what is appearing is the light - it appears as sensation.
But words and thoughts speak and tell stories - stories about other times and places which do not exist.
This that is here is the son of God. But it is easy to get lost in stories or believe that God or the son of God is somewhere or some when else.

a reply to: TerryDon79

a reply to: Malocchio The answer is found in John 1

John 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

He is God.

He also states elsewhwere the " Now that you have seen me, you have seen the Father.
And " I and the Father are one"


Transfiguration shows omnipotence.
Worship by Angels shows his authority
Walking on water and lifting into the clouds shows his power over natural laws.
Commanding the sea with results also shows authority

a reply to: TerryDon79

Why would god(s) make something (us) with flaws and then get them (us) to correct his/her/their/it's mistake?

I don't think God cares.

After all the entire ideal behind religion is people could err, and in the end.

God forgives.

originally posted by: Malocchio

originally posted by: schuyler
You're taking it way too literally, then dissecting your literal understanding of it. Basically NONE of it makes any sense unless you treat it as an allegory and symbolically.

So... He is only the metaphorical, symbolic Son of God and not really?

I don't believe that Christianity concurs.

I don't really care what Christianity believes or "concurs" with. Literalists and fundamentalists are everywhere and it represents a simplistic understanding of the issues. Basically the more stupid you are, the more literal you get because you can't handle any complications. But if you get into the seminaries of the larger denominations you will find that the academic conclusion here is that Jesus was a charismatic man with a message. Period. Of course, newly minted preachers can't go out into the world and tell their flocks that, so they let the myths ride and pay them lip service hoping the larger and more important message can be heard through the crap.

a reply to: Malocchio

Quit thinking about sex. Thinking about sex has led to FREE porn and erectile dysfunction.

The more I exchange old air for new air, the more I'm convinced that the humanoid should QUIT thinking about sex and what the 'other You' is doing about their sex. In all My times it has been the Female (Yin) that provides 'Life' and the Male (Mr. Yang) who continues to take it. Not only that, worrying about the 'hows and why' behind the sexual proclivities of 'The One Infinite Creator (Hunab Ku) is utterly useless. "No Body, No Headache" Personally I'd be more concerned about 'making My way BACK' then whether He/She 'gets any'...
This would also preclude folks from being concerned about what the neighbors 'might be doing' or who they're doing it with. Imagine, nobody giving 2 squirts if someone is gay; bisexual, asexual, transexual...

a reply to: neo96

God forgives?

I guess you forgot the whole flood story bit.

God forgives LOL.

a reply to: Malocchio

This short vid might be the rabbit hole you need to take in order to get a coherent view of the God head Most of Heisers stuff is very good and might help you

a reply to: TerryDon79

Not really an 'old testament' kind of guy.

We're ALL his children, and like all children do.

We don't listen.

We think we know it all.

We do what we want.

We rebel like teenagers.

In the end.

There is that unconditional love like most parents have.

The religion I subscribe too is a bit different than others.

This I know.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver

Im confused is this a troll thread and not a legit question? if it is a real question how have the mods not put all your posts as off topic?

It's basically a 2000 year old troll thread that people still can't make any sense of. You'd think after this long, someone would have found a way to reconcile the stories or it would have gone away like mithraism and odinism. But no, it's still a topic of semi serious discussion.

a reply to: neo96

God of any of the bibles is a bit of an arse. It's always punishing someone for something.

And no, it's not just like a parent giving a slap on the wrist. Unless you slap kids so hard they die or get disfigured.

a reply to: TerryDon79

God of any of the bibles is a bit of an arse. It's always punishing someone for something.

That we know today after revision after revision for centuries.

I liken it to how American history has virtually been rewritten for 2 centuries.

What it was when it was initially written as we will never know.

a reply to: neo96

Much the same as the most accurately translated version of the oldest texts today. And longer than it is today, what with all the omitted chapters and verses.

The bible(s) were written by men, for men, to govern men.

a reply to: Malocchio

But Jesus being the Son of God means he came AFTER God and can't be infinite as he was created at some point outside of our time or in it. Again, after and BY God, in the same manner as the angels meaning that Jesus can't BE God. If he was God he would be his own Father and thus, not a Son.

God is the one light that appears divided - this that is appearing (look around and see and hear and sense what there is right now) - is changing and is colourful and moving - it is the light show.
The current configuration is the 'son' of God and consists of God (is made of nothing other) but is transitory.

a reply to: neo96

I have often said that I may be going to heaven but it seems I am going kicking a screaming all the way .Truth be told though is that there has been much less kicking and screaming and I may be falling in line with His love .

Hey Molocchio... it's me... the great Pinocchio. Are we related????

Circumcision was only a matter of hygiene. Chicks dont like yuckies.

Jesus is a spook and god was the spooky genius who sent him. Fathom it.
No one can know who's the real rat bastard in that story.

Go and rest your mind. There is no comfort in the truth.

BYOXO

Bring Your Own Hugs & Kisses

a reply to: Woodcarver

Why are you here to troll the religious forums? no.one cares about your.opinion about religion

and I'm atheist btw getting more difficult everyday to claim that label

a reply to: neo96

Geez you guise!

I'm circumcised and they dont cut the tip off for Petes sake, just the excess skin sleeve. Gross, why do you need that bacteria farm anyway?

The bible is full of contradictions. ( I believe I have a list of over 100 but this one may pertain to you. )

Luke 3: 23 The Genealogy of Christ Through Mary may be of assistance if you prefer the biblical route,

23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi, the son of Melki,

the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,

25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,

the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,

the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath,

the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,

the son of Josek, the son of Joda,

27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,

the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,

the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melki,

the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,

the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,

29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,

the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon,

the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,

the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,

31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna,

the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,

the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse,

the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,

the son of Salmon,[d] the son of Nahshon,

33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[e]

the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,

the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob,

the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,

the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,

35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,

the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,

the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,

the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,

the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,

the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,

the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,

the son of Seth, the son of Adam,

the son of God.

BUT THEN

Matthew 1:1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Jesus descended from which son of David?
(Matthew 1:6) Solomon

There are even 4 variations as to what was actually written on his cross.


And just to spice things up a bit, I have also read that some believe Jesus to be the actual son of Gabriel the angel. ( Gabriel is also said to be father John The Baptist )
Gabriel is the angel who announces the birth of Jesus to Mary and some say that is when the consummation occurred.
" Mary had no trouble understanding who this child would be. He would be the promised Messiah, God's unique Son, Immanuel — God with us. Mary's only question was how it would be accomplished. "How will this be . . . since I am a virgin?" (Luke 1:34). Mary's question was not one of doubt or unbelief. She believed what the angel said. She just wanted to know how the promise would be fulfilled. Mary's testimony before an angel of God was that she had never been sexually intimate with Joseph or with any other man. The only way Mary could imagine that she could bear a child was through a sexual encounter with a man. But Gabriel's answer to her question opened a whole new possibility. "The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God' "(v. 35)."

Maybe that helps a bit or who knows, maybe raises some more questions for you lol