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If Jesus is God's Son...

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posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:25 PM
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This thought just hit me. What makes Jesus the Son of God? Even ''Only begotten Son?" God or Elohim has other Sons, the Sons of God of Genesis (called fallen angels but the Bible says Sons of God) and Deuteronomy 32.

And if God has a Son well he must have a wife, right? In order to make a son you first need to have sex , does God have sex? We know historically Yahweh DID have his Asherah who goes back to Cannanite mythology far older than the Bible, it was Josiah who banished Asherah from the Temple essentially exiling the Goddess.

But if Jesus was created first as the Logos of God that only makes him the first creation and if his creation was the same as, just before the angels, nothing really exists to make him a Son. He's the Logos which is the Word but also Reason of God, not a ''begotten Son" until his incarnation in Mary which means he wasn't always God's Son.

Christianity claims that Jesus was the Son of God, Son of man, Word of God and God himself, simultaneously and infinitely.

But Jesus being the Son of God means he came AFTER God and can't be infinite as he was created at some point outside of our time or in it. Again, after and BY God, in the same manner as the angels meaning that Jesus can't BE God. If he was God he would be his own Father and thus, not a Son.




posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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You're taking it way too literally, then dissecting your literal understanding of it. Basically NONE of it makes any sense unless you treat it as an allegory and symbolically.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

So Christians don't believe he is the literal Son of God, or a literal manifestation of God, to literally save us all, from literal Sin.

Mental gymnastics at its finest.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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Are you trying to make sense of the bible? Don't you know that's the fastest route to atheism?


a reply to: Malocchio



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
Are you trying to make sense of the bible? Don't you know that's the fastest route to atheism?


a reply to: Malocchio




No, I'm pointing out what doesn't make sense. They are all legitimate points for Christianity to address and I just wanted to see if anyone could actually make sense of it.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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 In order to make a son you first need to have sex , does God have sex? 

I just can't wait to read the answers to your question. Lotta mod editing ahead LOL.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
You're taking it way too literally, then dissecting your literal understanding of it. Basically NONE of it makes any sense unless you treat it as an allegory and symbolically.



So... He is only the metaphorical, symbolic Son of God and not really?

I don't believe that Christianity concurs.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: Malocchio

There is no way to address things that are so thoroughly contradictory as the stories of the bible. You might as well be asking what blue smells like.

No worries though. Someone will be along soon, who will offer an equally nonsensical answer, which will no doubt garner a landslide of stars.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: Malocchio

You need to remember that the bible is 100% true (what ever version out of the dozen or so that people read). Apart from the bits that are meant to be taken as allegory and symbolic, but not all the time. Sometimes the allegory and symbology is meant to be taken at face value, apart from when it's not.

Make sense?
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posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:56 PM
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And if God has a Son well he must have a wife, right? In order to make a son you first need to have sex , does God have sex?


Contrary to the nay sayers demagoguing the 'good book'.

We are made in his image.

So the answer to that question is YEAH.

God does have a wife. That's Mrs God.

They have sex since were made in his image.

We have offspring

Ip so facto they have rug rats like us.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

It only makes sense when you cut the tip of your penis off.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: neo96



And if God has a Son well he must have a wife, right? In order to make a son you first need to have sex , does God have sex?


Contrary to the nay sayers demagoguing the 'good book'.

We are made in his image.

So the answer to that question is YEAH.

God does have a wife. That's Mrs God.

They have sex since were made in his image.

We have offspring

Ip so facto they have rug rats like us.
Is the tip of god's penis cut off?



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: Malocchio

god in the flesh basically the interpretation varies but the message remains the same

at least we have tons of atheists here to clear that up for everyone



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

I still reckon that it was some guy sheering a sheep, nipped the end off by mistake, then said to his wife "I meant to do that!"



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

Sounds about right.

"I don't make mistakes babe, god told me to do it. "



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Malocchio

god in the flesh basically the interpretation varies but the message remains the same

at least we have tons of atheists here to clear that up for everyone
No problem. Happy to help.



posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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Is the tip of god's penis cut off?


My understanding that is the source of much debate.

It serves no purpose other than to make it look 'aesthetically pleasing'.

So prolly not.

If he wanted it that way though.

God could prolly just 'magic' it away.
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posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

Im confused is this a troll thread and not a legit question? if it is a real question how have the mods not put all your posts as off topic?



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posted on Oct, 7 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I was just thinking the same thing.

Why would god(s) make something (us) with flaws and then get them (us) to correct his/her/their/it's mistake?



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