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When Dreams Become NOT Only Personal, but Ominously Real

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posted on Jun, 21 2003 @ 10:12 AM
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I come to you this morning from the state of California in a state of alert and awakening awareness. I woke at exactly 5:20. Not only do I wake, but I See.

I had a dream last night, one like I have had just a few days ago that spoke in volumes. This dream is a message from no other than Satan himself. I have been warned. This is twice in not even 4 days. I have had the same dream twice within this time. The two dreams only differ in the slightest ways. Those ways being mere dialogue between me and the agents of the system. I call them agents because they have orders from a higher more powerful calling. I call them agents because they come in the form of humans and not demons. I call them agents because they remind me of people I know here on ATS!!!!!!!!!


I am not joking, not in the least bit. Nor am I crazy. If I am then forgive me, but what I saw and heard last night is more menacing and threatening than one might imagine. This second dream comes to me on one of the most Satanic days of the year. For those that don't know today marks the day of the Summer Solstice. On this day many people die from ritual sacrifice by the hands of corruptors from the underworld and by the hands of those that are undertaken by the underworld.

This may seem ridiculous to you but if that is so then I don't blame you. I don't expect many of you to understand. I went to bed not even 4 hours ago but due to the circumstances I am wide awake, even though I am tempted to go and get more sleep. Right now I must write what I can before it is too late.

If anyone has ever read a book called the "Alchemist" then they might be able to better understand what I am talking about. In the "Alchemist" one learns that a dreamer lives for something he calls his personal legend. This personal legend was handed down in the form of a reccuring dream. I finished reading this book not even 4 days ago. In the book dreams represent real life symbols and messages that are received by the main character, the shepard, not only in the dream world but in the real world. In the real world these messages come in the form of omens.

The shepard follows these omens in the pursuit of the hidden meaning of the messages in his dreams. Luckly for the shepard his messages promise good fortune. Unluckly for me they don't. My messages are to stop asking questions, and to back down. My messages come from the same two people sitting at the same table in the same manner, in the same building. This building is a place that seems to reak of secrecy and Satan. The stairs represent something sacred and sinister. The windows that look down on this dream scene with me at the bottom floor of the building with these two humanized demonic agents reveal that something is looking over me. Something in the windows screams superior dangerous.

The whole building is the same each time I dreamt it. I am inside and cannot see the outside. I want to go upstairs but I am coaxed not to even dare think of doing so. The agents take the form of a man and a woman. The man is the one who gives me a hard time about my position of curiousity, and the woman is the one who intices me to keep my curiousity going. The more and more passive the woman becomes the more and more aggressive and threatening the man gets. I don't defy his warnings in any other way then arrogance and remote viewing. I have the ability in this dream to go farther into the unknown or the unseen than I have in real life.

As I am told to leave the curiousity alone my curiousity only grows more powerful and more photographic. In the images I see myself getting into the higher levels of the building going further and further into the rabbit hole of this sinister ladder. You may even call it Jacob's ladder.

This could be explained more but I think I have done enough damage here already. Most of you will not be able to understand this. It is symbolic in every sense of the term in everyway possible. To me this dream was almost destined to be because it fits the picture so well. That picture being the world we know and the world we seek to know. That world we seek to know being the paths to enlightenment guarded by the forces of darkness.




You See?




posted on Jun, 22 2003 @ 10:52 PM
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AV. it sounds like your having a nightmare, my only concern though is that you are relating it to ATS (or people that are here).

If you were to study the Quabalah you will find that your experiences are not unheard of. In fact with respect to that path to God, demons act in that methodology in the same context you have mentioned.

My advise is that you put aside the books you are reading and for the sake of a contrast, review Jung's personality theory and place special emphasis on the
concept of archetypes.

All I am suggesting is that you look at the whole picture by learning about some of the ideas which offer alternatives to what you have been exposed to.

Jung is not a theorist who denies the existence of the paranormal and neither does he treat it as irrelevant.



posted on Jun, 22 2003 @ 11:41 PM
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AbrahamV.........Dont take notice of dreams .....they cannot harm you!
They can in fact embed in your mind if you let them...

I suggest you not try to think of that dream, and maybe suggest you say a prayer!

I have had similar dreams like this.....but knowing that it is only a dream,it cannot rule my life.......

AbrahamV......this dream could also be a result of something'' different'' that you did recently???
I guess you only know what you did!
And I dont mean it in a bad way.....not nessasarily did something bad.....could've been something of goodness!(just a thought)

helen.....


[Edited on 6/23/2003 by helen670]



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 12:58 AM
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If you have this dream again. May i suggest actually walking up the stairs and checking out what is up there...maybe even ask Jesus to walk with u in ur dream up the stairs..Just thinking about it might make him appear...It is just a dream but even fearful int he dream...you will know that jesus wont let harm come to you and no harm will come to you especially as it is just a dream. Though take a walk around and see what you can see and find out.

People are afraid of the unknown. Go out and find everything out... then you will know and you wont be afraid anymore.



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 02:15 AM
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JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME I TRIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE MY COMPUTER MYTERIOUSLY LOCKED UP. COINCEDENCE OR NOT?????

ANYWAY, I AM GOING TO ATTEMPT TO DO IT AGAIN AND I WILL TRY MY BEST TO MAKE THIS MESSAGE REPLICATE THE ONE I TRIED TO SEND BUT WASN'T ALLOWED TO PROCESS. HERE GOES:

Toltec:

Stop reading the books I am reading???

No, I won't do that.

I don't know how you feel about Freud but I just finished reading, "Interpretation of Dreams". I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. I finished that book about two weeks ago. The last book I read was called the "Alchemist" which was written by Paulo Coelho.

(If any of you cannot understand my dream then I suggest you read the "Alchemist". It may help you to understand some of the meanings behind this dream I had. It won't totally clear it up for you but it will help. I can try to interpret this dream for you, but I cannot say for sure that you will understand. It would take a verbal conversation between us for this clarity to be positive. Even then it may be hard for you to grasp. However I will attempt to explain it to you after I finish answering everyone else.)

Anyway, back to you Toltec. I have been wanting and been willing to read some of Jung's work but I am backed up by other works as of right now. So if you direct me to the certain book you had in mind I will pick it up and get back to you when I am finished.

Helen:

You seem to think that this dream scares me. Well I guess I wasn't clear enough. I never mentioned that I wasn't in fear of this dream, sorry. If anything it only wills me to dream even more. I know where this dream is leading me, and where it leads me, I don't fear. Are not you familer with Jacob's ladder??? Haven't heard of the Platonic Cave??? I will explain this in my interpretation after I answer DaRAGE.

DaRAGE:

You are right on. It seems as if you understand what this dream means. (Well somewhat.) I guess you are the only one who knows what Jacob's ladder is. I am suprised that Helen doesn't pick up on the omens and symbols of this dream. You may not either, but at least you understand some aspects of this ideal I am leading.

Interpretation:

The stairs represent Jacob's ladder, or the path to God. I don't fear these stairs because I don't fear the path to God. The house represents my domain, or the Platonic Cave. The windows represent the all seeing eye of Satan and his dark forces. The agents, or the man and woman sitting at the table represent Satan's pawns. The warnings of the agents are just futile attempts to stop me from reaching the enlightenment that God seeks for my being, and the being of others.

End of interpretation

I SAID SOMETHING ELSE AFTER ALL OF THIS BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER. SATAN HAS WON THIS BATTLE; BUT WITH A LITTLE MORE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS HE WON'T WIN THE WAR. SORRY THAT I HAVE BEEN DECEIVED AND SORRY THAT YOU WERE NEGLECTED SO.



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 04:13 AM
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Well you've interpretted your own dream.

The man obviously doesn't want you to see something or go to a place and even just check it out. Though you seem to be in a dark evil place already. Content to stay there? I think not. Though you fear what could be upstairs...even though when you get there you might not have to fear a thing and could be in a better place....or a worse place....but since it is a dream....you have no need to fear for nothing can hurt you in a dream. So explore your curiosity.

What would have happened if people back in the old days if noone explored and ventured out into the world and sailed past the point of no ruturn...the end of the world...where the waters fell off? We'd all be stuck in Europe. Who would have sailed to America if they didn't have thier curiosity to do so to find out a new place and explore. Satify thier needs is what they did.

So satisfy yours too. Curiosity into the unknown and the fear of the unknown. Will you stay in ur comfort zone because you know where you are and you know what is there, or will you go into the unknown where you fear because you do not know what could be there awaiting you? But you know you're in a dream and that nothing can hurt you, so why not venture out and find out about the unknown and make it known to you...enlightening you
, which i guess is what Satan doesn't want you to do...as that man in your dreams is screaming at you not to do.



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 05:31 AM
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You didn't read my last statement very well. I don't fear what is upstairs. I don't see where you get that I am. And in my opinion the dream doesn't tell me that I am in a dark place. I am only visited by dark forces. That doesn't mean I am in the dark. The dream tells me that I am in the Light, or that I am close to it. That is why the darkness comes to visit me. It wants me back. I served the darkness well, and it needs my help. What you can't seem to grasp is that I no longer wish to be in the dark and that I seek the Light. Therefore my dream is just a message from the darkness to go back into it's treacherous domain. I am not willing to do that and I only seek the Light. Can you not see that????

Another thing:

The man isn't screaming. He is quite calm. He is a pawn of Satan. Pawns of Satan are wise.(Or at least they make themselves out to be.)

The paws of Satan know that people know that hostility and insistancy of that sort only lead people to believe that the hostile one is losing control and is not in power. The agents I saw in that building in my dream are not that dumb. They know that if they show me that they exhibit these qualities that they are not only unable to control me but that they are wrong. They insist that they are right and because of that they show no pressure or anger with me. They try and give me the impression that I am the one who is out of control and that I am the one is wrong. They do this by acting calm. When I mentioned the meeting with Allen Dulles that is what I was trying to tell you.

I was trying to tell you that the pawns acted like Dulles. And I like Nasser. Nasser was arrogant and even bold. Dulles was calm and big headed. Dulles didn't bother getting angry or forceful. He just let Nasser make all the mistakes. He acted as if Nasser was setting in his own fate.

That is the same thing the pawns did. They tried to make me think that I was the one walking into my own uncertain and unwanted fate by walking up the stairs. They were not going to stop me because they insisted that they were right.

What you seem to misunderstand is that this whole fiasco is merely a dream. It doesn't really mean that if I bolt up the stairs that I will find God. You can't just run to God in a dream and expect to find him waiting for you at the top of the stairs. This dream is symbolic. Dreams are just that, dreams. They don't allow me to become masters of conception. They are mere perceptions into the conceptions already known.

I can't even really decide to do as I please in the dream. I can't just chose to walk up the stairs. I am not a master lucid dreamer. I am trying to learn to be one, but not one as of yet. This dream is a message from the dark side and it is an assessment of my travels in between the darkness and the light. It isn't a path to one or the other. If I go up the stairs that only means that I have perceived this great conception that is those stairs and that I have made my way there. Same goes for the pawns. If i chose to listen to the pawns then that just means that i have already done so by perceiving that unholy conception as that which I am conceived to. Do you understand what I mean now???


Abraham



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 06:34 AM
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yeah i get ya


You actually done any lucid dreaming before?

I reckon it's great...but have only had 3 of them



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 11:34 AM
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Why do u think there is a connection with the members of ATS? Do u think some of us are evil?

If you genuinely think you are receiving messages from dark forces, I suggest you look into psychic protective methods or tools.

I cannot make any recommendations because everyone's beliefs are different. You must do the research yourself.



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 03:53 PM
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As mentioned previously, anwsers will only beget more questions. So here goes, Have you looked into your past lives about this. As you mentioned you "served the darkness well". What do you know about your past and how it effects you now? Another thing, not that I see you waivering in your personal beliefs, but have you lost some faith. Even if a little bit? Perhaps something happened in the not so far past that triggered these dreams/memory of the dreams. As far as reacurring dreams go, I can still recall some of mine from when I was but a child.

On a different note, have you lost touch with your guide/s, guardian/s. You stated that you felt it had something to do with the solstice. Is that just because it coincided with it or was the solstice obvious in your dream? What are you going to do for the next ones if this don't go away?

Let me know what you have discovered recently, and what thoughts have come to you. Perhaps a journal should be started specifically for this, if you havn't done so already.



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 09:10 PM
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AbrahamV.......I seem to have had similar dreams when I was younger.......
It was a dark room and an old woman in black sat in a corner looking down.......I would enter the room and she would call me over to her with hand gestures......I would start to walk toward her,but never succeeded in going to her!
This dream went on day after day....but not everynight.....

I do beleive I know your dream........but you have to figure it out on your own.......
Dreams are just that.......Dreams!
When one starts to pay attention to them,one can easily be led into a non reality world......
Though you said you felt no fear.......It could be that you are led to believe that you are at an ''ok'' state and that you are happy to be where your at.....
I personally would say that you are being made to believe that your life at this stage is fine and that you are strong enough to withstand all the evil.....but it is a deception.......my opinion any way!
Looking for answers in the occult is not what you should be aiming at.....Believe me!
helen...

[Edited on 6/24/2003 by helen670]



posted on Jun, 23 2003 @ 09:30 PM
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AV can do 1 better then that

See link....

www.questia.com...



posted on Jun, 24 2003 @ 01:17 AM
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Toltec:

Thank you for the link. I was expecting you you to reference me to one book, but you gave me many. Hey, the more the better. I guess I have a lot of reading to do. Once again, thank you.

Questor:

Thank you for being so concerned, but really there is nothing to worry about. That is what "They" want me to do. Trust me I am in complete control. It is "They" who are not. "They" are the ones who want me to lose control by second guessing the meaning of this dream. Once again, this dream represents a conception of my being. It has nothing to do with perception. Does that make sense????

DaRAGE:

Well I am only so privy to what lucid dreaming is. To me lucid dreaming is to realize within one's dream that one is dreaming. Also that lucid dreams often consists of flying. If that is what you are posing then yes I have flown in my dreams but just once. As for being aware of my dreaming well I have had this capability but I wouldn't equate it with lucid dreaming. I would consider it intuition if anything.

Helen:

Once again I have nothing to fear. That is what ''They" want me to do. You seem to pose the arguement that I should fear the power of "Them". But once again, that is exactly what "They" want me to do. You See?

Advisor:

Past lives???

Well I don't know about all that. What I do know is that in the PAST I lead a life that was unsavory. As for actual past lifes, well I don't think that I have the knowledge of those so-called lives to make any assessments on that matter.

Lost faith???

No way. Maybe in others, but not in God. My faith for God only grows more powerful as the days pass. Especially since I had this dream. I know that Satan is after me, and for good reason; because he lost me and he wants me back. Hence, I served him well. You See?

Oh yeah, as for the solstice, well I think that is just more symbolism. It isn't a mystery that Satan is prevalent on this day. Many people die at his hands and at the hands of his minions when this day comes around. It is only likely that his presence will be more known on this day than any other. Journal???

Nope no journal. I don't see the point. In the end it is all null.



Abraham



posted on Jun, 24 2003 @ 01:04 PM
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nah mate. You can fly in your dreams...or you can fly when lucid dreaming. the experience is 10 times better lucid dreaming because everything seems much more clearer and much more real.

You know how when u dream things are a bit sorta misty and u know where you are etc but it's all very clouded as to waht ur doing, why ur doing it, etc. oyu have no control basically. or you do but ur subconcious mind is playing the dream not u.

Well just say ur dreams become about 10 times more real than any dream u've had. You can see veery bit of detail, do waht you want when you want how u want.

It's like u kow ur dreaming all confy on ur bed, and u realise ur dreaming and as u realise that you are dreaming and you are able to do wahtever you want, you do a spin around in a circle. And that fully awakens you but ur still dreaming. so ur fully awake in ur dream. So in ur dream it feels like instead of just waking up comfortably from a good nights rest, you're now standing up fully awake after a high paced game of tennis....but ur still dreaming and U are in control.

Imagine how u'd feel in real life jsut flying off the ground and into the sky. WEll tahts basically how'd u'd feel if u did it in a lucid dream. Much more real. And i'm betting that's not how u'd feel flying in ur normal dream. Actaully i'd make a bet on it. coz i've done both and i can definately tell the difference.






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