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Army Chief of Staff Gen.: 'US military...will beat you harder than you have ever been beaten'

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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Mr Headshot

Russia has only ever bullied its neighbors. What war did they ever win. Other than when we joined them during WWII???


Do you think Americans fought on the Eastern Front?

Who won, Stalingrad, Kursk and Berlin? Was General Patton and his 3rd Army present during the East Pomeranian Offensive?

Do you know ANY history?

Or are you just a troll?

Really nice of you to laugh off the millions who died fighting Nazism in Eastern Europe. I don't see Russians insulting the memory of the Americans who died in the Pacific.
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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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Another source for the Army Chief of Staff's appearance at the AUSA conference:


Army Chief Issues Stark Warning to Potential Enemies

...The U.S. Army's chief of staff on Tuesday issued a stern warning to potential threats such as Russia and vowed the service will defeat any foe in ground combat.

"The strategic resolve of our nation, the United States, is being challenged and our alliances tested in ways that we haven't faced in many, many decades," Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told an audience at the Association of the United States Army's annual meeting in Washington, D.C.

"I want to be clear to those who wish to do us harm … the United States military -- despite all of our challenges, despite our [operational] tempo, despite everything we have been doing -- we will stop you and we will beat you harder than you have ever been beaten before. Make no mistake about that."

Milley's comments come during an election year in which voters will decide a new president and commander in chief -- and a period of increased military activity of near-peer competitors, including Russia and China.

The Army has struggled to rebuild its readiness after more than a decade of extended combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The service has significantly cut the size of its force since the Cold War and decreased its modernization budget in the last decade, Milley said.

"While we focused on the counter-terrorist fight, other countries -- Russia, Iran, China, North Korea -- went to school on us," he said. "They studied our doctrine, our tactics, our equipment, our organization, our training, our leadership. And, in turn, they revised their own doctrines, and they are rapidly modernizing their military today to avoid our strengths in hopes of defeating us at some point in the future."

Milley also quoted a senior Russian official as saying publicly, "The established world order is undergoing a foundational shake-up" and that "Russia can now fight a conventional war in Europe and win."

The general warned that future warfare with a near-peer adversary will "be highly lethal, unlike anything our Army has experienced at least since World War II."


Intense Sabre Rattling, from the ARMY's Top Officer? Not good....



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Ohanka
The US Military will beat people "harder than ever" with less men and equipment than ever before in the past 70 years?

IIRC US Army rarely trains for operations above the battalion level.

Maybe if you're someone with only AKs and Pickup trucks operating in the Sahara Desert.

I dunno seems like flamboyant boasting.



Your right look ay history, the vaunted US army can beat Granada, Panama, and other little pipsqueak countries but when it goes up against any great or medium great power it never has won.


Russia won WWII

The US was late in WWI


It was a draw in Korea

And they lost in Vietnam

Cant even beat the Taliban
Russia did well, but only survived due to massive economic and military help, from guess who? The west. We transferred over immense amounts of tech and resources.
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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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As for the US general - the empty can rattles the most. He's got nothing else.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 12:44 PM
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Russia did what they did in WW@ because the US supplied Russia with Spam.
So.
Spam won WW2
www.defensemedianetwork.com...



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Ohanka
The US Military will beat people "harder than ever" with less men and equipment than ever before in the past 70 years?

IIRC US Army rarely trains for operations above the battalion level.

Maybe if you're someone with only AKs and Pickup trucks operating in the Sahara Desert.

I dunno seems like flamboyant boasting.





Cant even beat the Taliban


To be fair.

Even Russia didn't do well in Afghanistan.

It was their Vietnam War.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: grey580

Neither did the British.

"Afghanistan, where Empires going to die"



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: CrapAsUsual
a reply to: Profusion

Americans are lost. Over the last 3 decades the US political system has been progressively rigged in favour of corporations, these corporations forged huge trade deals between previously separated geo political blocks.

They bribed western politicians so they signed these deals, lately they don´t even let elected officials discuss these deals outside of secure rooms, no phones no cameras no notes are allowed.

Now we are assisting to the culmination of this process.

Corporations transferred technology, production methods, knowledge to China and china made huge amounts of money allowing them to have the most peculiar and hypocrite political system, communism to the poor, capitalism to the rich and making the largest army on earth.

Currently china is unbeatable, they may not have as many subs or as many aircraft carriers but they can make more in a glimpse and they are many. 1.5 billion people can make a HUGE army if necessary.

Congratulate all the scum who governed your country for the last 30 years, they turned a peper tiger into a tiger of steel.

By not electing Trump and if electing him not forcing him to cut all the trade deals and focus on your country, unemployment, drugs, immigration you will be shooting your second foot.

Now Russia.

Are you stupid or what (not the OP, the american politicians) You are encircling Russian borders, have been doing it for 25 years. What the F***K do you think its going to happen? You´re lucky if the Russians don´t nuke one of your cities in the near future. And if you respond you will see another half dozen sites levelled.
I agree with most of your points. But the US is still far more advanced militarily than China. Their average soldier it unit has tech decades behind us.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:22 PM
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Y'all are selling the good ol USA short;
Russia is formidable but...
Money in the trillions have disappeared into US black
Special Accsess Projects . Those projects don't see
the light of day until they are needed for a big war.
The Dark hats in the US MIC can sneak around land sea
air or space and vaporize things up in ways
that have not yet been contemplated by foes.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
The German Army's defeats at Moscow stalled them completely. Their defeat at Stalingrad put them on the defensive footing.

After the disastrous Kursk offensive and crushing Soviet counter offensive the German Army on the East was broken. They could no longer launch any offensive operations.

The war was lost for Germany in 1943. Everything else was just delaying the inevitable. D-day and Italy sped up this process a great deal, but by the time of these operations Germany had no opportunity for victory outside of some nonsense thought up by some pulp alternate history writer.

One could argue the war was lost from the moment of launching Operation Barbarossa, there's a good deal to say about that but I don't subscribe to that view. Had the Soviet Army not miraculously pulled itself together when it did things could've ended quite differently.
But also, if hitler hadn't been obsessed with Stalingrad, he could have taken Moscow easily. It was mismanagement in the end.
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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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The Soviets held out in stalingrad for a long time with supplies from the west being a massive factor in their survival. Stalin was begging Churchill almost daily to open a war on 2 fronts so as to give russia a break from the nazi war machine it was only after the nazis were defeated in north africa and the allies landed in the southern underbelly of the axis that russia turned the tables in the east. Had the allies not taken north africa when the did the the nazis wouldve steamed the caucuses and stalingrad. Russia didnt win world war 2 alone. It took many nations and their soldiers to do that believe



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:55 PM
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All I can say when either side (or multiple sides) make such comments is: let us all sincerely hope and pray we never have to find out.

Peace.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

There were 3 targets of equal importance.

Stalingrad, the gateway to the caucasus and USSR oil fields, Leningrad, home of much of the USSRs industry and of course Moscow, the seat of Government and headquarters of the Stavka.

Generally the entire plan was unworkable. Focusing on one of the three would've resulted in it's capture but left the German army vulnerable to be strategically encircled, and focusing on all three (the initial operational plan) meant the Germans had to cover an impossibly large front against a numerically superior force, and maintain the supply lines for three separate army groups over hundreds of miles long.

Stalin butchering his entire officer corps during the great purge greatly contributed to the disaster that the opening of Barbarossa was for the Soviets. It's doubtful the German army would've gotten as far as it did had the purge not happened.

Of course that opens a whole can of "what ifs".
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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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The biggest limitation when the US goes to war is the American public. They will only accept a certain amount of casualties before public opinion drops off and the government is forced to pull troops or risk losing public support.

I know that the US military is a formidable force - I've fought beside them often enough. Unfortunately all wars are media wars now, and the public don't like seeing coffins draped in flags while they have their morning coffee.

Look at Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan etc. The military were forced to work to unrealistic rules and regulations which were politically driven by a risk averse public meaning no actual military victory could be achieved.

If the media/public are taken out if the equation and the military were allowed to work to their ability then there would be few forces in the World to challenge the US. The fact is though, due to the interconnected media an communications networks present today, this can never happen.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

There were 3 targets of equal importance.

Stalingrad, the gateway to the caucasus and USSR oil fields, Leningrad, home of much of the USSRs industry and of course Moscow, the seat of Government and headquarters of the Stavka.

Generally the entire plan was unworkable. Focusing on one of the three would've resulted in it's capture but left the German army vulnerable to be strategically encircled, and focusing on all three (the initial operational plan) meant the Germans had to cover an impossibly large front against a numerically superior force, and maintain the supply lines for three separate army groups over hundreds of miles long.

Stalin butchering his entire officer corps during the great purge greatly contributed to the disaster that the opening of Barbarossa was for the Soviets. It's doubtful the German army would've gotten as far as it did had the purge not happened.

Of course that opens a whole can of "what ifs".
ah interesting and solid points.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Yeah just like the beat Vietnam. The only thing they beat was their ass out of the country!

Don't forget that us Canadians taught them a thing or two as well! Granted, that was a long time ago, but still!



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

Cheers for that, very informative.




posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

It sounds like the kind of garbage coming out of the Bush/Cheney government and the Pentagon before the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I suppose there are those in government in the USA who see a war with Russia as the only hope they have of continuing to prop up the failing US economy. Totally insane, but it certainly seems to read that way.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Ohanka
The US Military will beat people "harder than ever" with less men and equipment than ever before in the past 70 years?

IIRC US Army rarely trains for operations above the battalion level.

Maybe if you're someone with only AKs and Pickup trucks operating in the Sahara Desert.

I dunno seems like flamboyant boasting.



Your right look ay history, the vaunted US army can beat Granada, Panama, and other little pipsqueak countries but when it goes up against any great or medium great power it never has won.


Russia won WWII

The US was late in WWI


It was a draw in Korea

And they lost in Vietnam

Cant even beat the Taliban


Russia won WWII??? Ignorance doesn't even begin to cover that statement.

1) Russia was supplied with American supplies.
2) The Russian front was one of 3 major fronts in the ET.
3) Japan wasn't fighting Russia
4) Russia wasn't involved in the Italian front.


Those are just four points I can come up with off the cuff. Read some history.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: Whereismypassword

Yes, Iran. That's what they told him. Isn't that crazy? We have no idea what is going on over there. All probably a bunch of lies.




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