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Are planets setting the Sun's pace?

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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 06:36 AM
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The article below follows the phenomenon/or coincidence that the Sun's magnetic cycle corresponds with astrological heliocentric conjunction of Earth/Venus/Jupiter/Sun. How a scientist would look to this fact is very different from the way ancients would do.

Science today relies on surveys and conclusions done according to its current knowledge template. That's why science changes its views with the rate of a mouse heartbeat 🐭. It's like a small kid learning from its mistakes only, disregarding the advice of it's own parents.

Ancients however were more like the kid which would listen to it parents (nature) but won't give to much effort to comprehend their advice to its subjective needs. Thus will fall into dogma.

Both ways obviously, need polish to work flawlessly. That's why the sages of the past who used their reason and the scientist of today which are not afraid to enter the speculative fields of the occult are the only ones who would be able to balance the controversies of life within their understandings and work. Take Plato and Tesla as examples.

In the company of astrologists and alchemists, the scientist are being mocked as heretics, while between scientist, the former ones take labels as frantic delusional schizos, or perplexed fools who can't measure a thing.

But today astrology and astronomy are one idea closer to skiing hands. Not yet, but close. Who would be the first to say "Okay lets do some research and forget out differences". Is the chess game ending with draw out the kings won't let down the hammers of war?




Many questions regarding the Sun's magnetic field are still unanswered. "As with the Earth, we are dealing with a dynamo. Through self-excitation, a magnetic field is created from virtually nothing, whereby the complex movement of the conductive plasma serves as an energy source," says the physicist Dr. Frank Stefani from HZDR. The Sun's so-called alpha-omega dynamo is subject to a regular cycle. Approximately every eleven years the polarity of the Sun's magnetic field is reversed, with solar activity peaking with the same frequency. This manifests itself in an increase in sunspots - dark patches on the Sun's surface which originate from strongly concentrated magnetic fields. "Interestingly, every 11.07 years, the Sun and the planets Venus, the Earth and Jupiter are aligned. We asked ourselves: Is it a coincidence that the solar cycle corresponds with the cycle of the conjunction or the opposition of the three planets?" ponders Stefani. Although this question is by no means new, up to now scientists could not identify a plausible physical mechanism for how the very weak tidal effects of Venus, the Earth and Jupiter could influence the Sun's dynamo.

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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: Argentbenign
Science today relies on surveys and conclusions done according to its current knowledge template. That's why science changes its views with the rate of a mouse heartbeat 🐭. It's like a small kid learning from its mistakes only, disregarding the advice of it's own parents.


No, not really.


Approximately every eleven years the polarity of the Sun's magnetic field is reversed, with solar activity peaking with the same frequency. This manifests itself in an increase in sunspots - dark patches on the Sun's surface which originate from strongly concentrated magnetic fields. "Interestingly, every 11.07 years, the Sun and the planets Venus, the Earth and Jupiter are aligned. We asked ourselves: Is it a coincidence that the solar cycle corresponds with the cycle of the conjunction or the opposition of the three planets?" ponders Stefani.


Keep in mind that the planetary alignment interval is precise, but the solar cycle is not. It averages around 11 years, but out of the last 23 cycles, 11 have been shorter than 11 years (two of them only 9 years long) and 9 of them have been longer than 11 years (with one of them almost 14 years long). Source - The plot is not even a statistical bell-curve.

The key phrase is this:

Although this question is by no means new, up to now scientists could not identify a plausible physical mechanism for how the very weak tidal effects of Venus, the Earth and Jupiter could influence the Sun's dynamo.


The authors of this paper (F. Stefani, A. Giesecke, N. Weber and T. Weier) are hypothesizing. They say right in the abstract:


Without discussing the observational validity of the claimed correlations, we examine which possible physical mechanism might link the weak planetary forces with solar dynamo action.

(emphasis added)

They are looking for a mechanism for very small (but measurable) effects to influence a very powerful system. They're not looking for anything occult. For something to have a measurable effect, it's got to have a measurable effect.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: Saint Exupery The measurable effect, that they are searching could turn to be closer to the occult that one might think. These arts can be very science like in essence, not all of them concern supernatural issues. And as to the right point you noted, may I make a comprehension... Sun's magnetic cycles come as Autumn or Spring would come to earth - sometimes earlier, sometimes with delay. Nothing extraordinary here.

You also very exactly nailed the key phrase of the article. Scientist cannot understand it. Not by their ways. But what if this cycle has really simple explanation? If, not... Alright. But what if the answer is so common, as the sunlight itself, that it is just disregarded by the majority of thinkers at this planet? Should we just throw away this possibility?



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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: Argentbenign
a reply to: Saint Exupery The measurable effect, that they are searching could turn to be closer to the occult that one might think. These arts can be very science like in essence, not all of them concern supernatural issues.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Occult means in a sense non-scientific:


of or relating to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.


Alchemists were people trying to practice chemistry without knowledge of modern chemistry, and to the extent their practices were scientific they were not occult. Centuries ago the distinctions were sometimes blurred and maybe it was hard to tell where the science ended and the occult began, but it's quite clear today and Saint Exupery nailed the key difference, that scientists are looking for measurable effects. Occult beliefs tend to not be based on or supported by measurements or statistical analyses of measurements.

So the opposite of what you say is true:

But today astrology and astronomy are one idea closer to skiing hands. Not yet, but close. Who would be the first to say "Okay lets do some research and forget out differences".

They are further apart than they have ever been and getting further, not closer.

I will grant you that modern science has never disproven the so-called "ancient wisdom" that human sacrifice to appease the rain gods will end a drought. The research would be plagued with ethics problems even if some idiot wanted to do an experiment on such so-called "ancient wisdom". A lot of ancient wisdom is superstition of people who didn't know how to do science and didn't know any better but I don't know what your excuse is, you should have had enough education in modern science to know better.

edit on 2016105 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur Blood sacrifice it's very potent tool, even some groups use on pretty massive level today. I see you have a strong position, just hope your knowledge serves you best, as also for humanity too.



posted on Oct, 6 2016 @ 03:49 AM
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a reply to: Argentbenign
Well, see, there might be some credibility to those scientists' hypothesis, but it has nothing to do with the ancients, astrology, or anything mystical.

If those planet aligning do have a small effect on the Sun that's just effective enough to "nudge" it towards the higher activity, that's a scientifically measurable effect, and part of science.


"If you only just give a swing small pushes, it will swing higher with time," as Frank Stefani explains the principle of resonance. He and his team discovered in recent calculations that the alpha effect is prone to oscillations under certain conditions. "The impulse for this alpha-oscillation requires almost no energy. The planetary tides could act as sufficient pace setters for this."


"Our calculations show that planetary tidal forces act here as minute external pace setters. The oscillation in the alpha effect, which is triggered approximately every eleven years, could cause the polarity reversal of the solar magnetic field and, ultimately, dictate the 22-year cycle of the solar dynamo," according to Stefani.

www.dailygalaxy.com...

It's a bit dishonest of you to use this science to give ancient and medieval mystics any credibility.



posted on Oct, 6 2016 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: Argentbenign

Well, the researchers may be forgetting a rather large detail when they say that,


Interestingly, every 11.07 years, the Sun and the planets Venus, the Earth and Jupiter are aligned


Actually, The majority of the planetary gravitational pull on the Sun comes from Jupiter. Jupiter is 2.5 times the mass of all other planets combined. Saturn, more than Earth, is next in line.

Which means that the other planets have pretty much negligible impact on the Sun, which implies that Earth's and Venus' alignments would not make much difference than the usual Sun-Jupiter interaction.

The same goes with magnetic interaction. Jupiter is the planet with the biggest magnetosphere, followed by Saturn. The other planets have much smaller fields, and Venus doesn't even have magnetic field.



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posted on Oct, 6 2016 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: swanne
Actually, The majority of the planetary gravitational pull on the Sun comes from Jupiter. Jupiter is 2.5 times the mass of all other planets combined. Saturn, more than Earth, is next in line.

Which means that the other planets have pretty much negligible impact on the Sun, which implies that Earth's and Venus' alignments would not make much difference than the usual Sun-Jupiter interaction.


Well, don't forget that although gravitational force varies by the inverse-square of the distance, tidal forces vary by the inverse-cube of the distance.* For example, the Sun is 27 million times more massive than the Moon, but the Moon is nearly 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun, so the Moon's tidal effect on the Earth is more than twice that of the Sun's.

Jupiter has 317.8 times the mass of the Earth, but is 5.2 times further away. Thus Jupiter's tidal influence on the Sun is ~2.26 times the influence of the Earth.

Venus has .815 times the mass of the Earth, but is only .723 times the distance. These differences may not seem like much, but Venus' tidal influence on the Sun is ~2.156 times the influence of the Earth.

(Interestingly, Mercury - which is only 1/18th the mass of the Earth has nearly the same tidal influence on the Sun as the Earth, since it is less than 0.4 AU from the Sun. However, the OP article doesn't refer to Mercury).

Taken together, the tidal influence of Venus, Earth and Jupiter when aligned is ~2.4 times the influence of Jupiter alone.

HOWEVER

The actual tidal forces are quite small (even when you include the much larger radius of the Sun).
2.4 times "quite small" is still quite small. If we compare the empirical tidal forces the Moon upon the Earth to the tidal forces of these planets on the Sun, we find that Venus and Jupiter individually have roughly 1/3000th the strength, of the Moon, and the Earth is less than half that (~1/6600th). When aligned, the tidal forces of Venus, Earth and Jupiter acting together on the Sun produce only ~1/1225th of the force that the Moon exerts on the Earth.

I am skeptical that such small external stirring of the Sun's material could have much of an effect, considering the incredibly energetic internal processes going on there; but it's an interesting idea, and perhaps computer modelling can reveal a "butterfly effect" producing a resonance. To be valid, though, the model would have to replicate the observed wide swings in duration and strength of the Solar Cycle.



*Tidal forces also vary in direct proportion to the mass of the acting body, and in direct proportion to the radius of the body being acted upon.
edit on 6-10-2016 by Saint Exupery because: of tidal effects on my punctuation




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