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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: artistpoet




Unfortunately I am not allowed to vote though


You've done your voting recently...and the libs are not too happy about what you chose




posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

For want of a better word the "Hysteria" surrounding the USA election reminds me of our own recent one
No matter what the result there were be millions of disgruntled folk ... it is just the way it goes



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: NightFlight



What really pisses me off about your post is that Dr. Ron Paul's name could be substituted for Trumps and the post would still be true.


Had America been smarter, Ron Paul would be finishing his second term right now, and Trump would not even have a chance, because America would have returned to some level of sanity, Ron Pauls VP whoever that would have been would have the nomination, and Hillary would be on a different path.
But because the media and establishment ignored him and said he can't win, and many Americans were just starting to wake up to the media bias and their games, it didn't happen.

Fast forward 8 years and Trump is the end result of 8 years of Obama and Hillary doing what they do.
As Ron Paul says "blowback", yes Trump is political blowback from a population that wants to try something different, not hope, but radical change that is ferociously opposed by the MSM and the establishment on both sides.

If it gets done by clown, so be it is the mantra, also we want to see the left have a hyper active spazamatize and then their heads explode when n Trump wins, because some on the right did it when Obama came to power, it's there turn.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




I am telling you that whether Russia and the US escalate tensions is not something that either Hillary or Trump will have any say in, what so ever. Like all major conflicts in living memory, if it happens at all it will be at the behest of powers far greater than the leaders of the US or Russia have at their disposal.



while this might be true...candidates are vehemently expressing their view on the situation...so whether they have to power or not to do anything about it...their opinion matters to me.




As for your utterly ignorant approach to gender issues, that is a matter for you, although I would caution that dismissing things you do not understand, simply because you do not understand them, is not a mark of wisdom.


I'm not here so score points for likability. I stand by my comment. There really are no gender issues...except for the made up ones.




You should be very concerned that taxes you paid helped fund and train ISIS


Actually...no taxes of mine go to that cause...and have never. We have been over the national budget every year since the declaration of independence, and trust me..there simply is no money to go around. We joined the EU to save us.

If any taxes were being used to help fund and train ISIS...it would be the US and UK primarily....




You should also be concerned that so many people, including yourself, remain willfully ignorant of that fact, as well as being absolutely appalled at the idea of taking responsibility for the conduct of those we have elected, whose meddling and gamesmanship, whose avarice for oil and resources, not to mention for security and military contracts, has been more important to them, as it always is, than doing the right things with our tax money.


Again...I have made no such choice. Nor has any local politican acted on the platform of international warfare. We are just too occupied with our own survival. We also have no money to even make ends meet...let alone fund wars in the middle east.

We have just recently exited from the eastern block and joined the EU 2 years ago. We had absolutely nothing with the creation of ISIS not were we participating in funding the extremists.

Therefore..I refuse to take responsibility for something my country had no part in...and I certainly refuse to accept the fallout of what was done in the middle east.

This will be mostly visible by the politics of eastern European countries that are vehemently refusing migrant quotas.




You should be concerned about all of that, but you should not be concerned that your neighbours have Arabic names, or that there are men in traditional Muslim dress in your locality, nor that there are people from different ethnic backgrounds living and working near you.


But I am concerned about all that...from a perspective you can never know. My country has been on the forefront of Islamic invasion for 5 centuries...I see the effects of long term Islamic rule on Bosnia and Hercegovina...and some of my kin actually draws roots from it. I've seen it first hand...and I want none of it thank you.




ignore the responsibility of greedy political and financial institutions


Again..those are not my institutions...or of my countrymen or my kin. I wont be held responsible for them. We are a poor eastern european nation that has too many of our own problems to deal with crap you big nations bring to our doorstep.




My enemies are those who give power to the elite by agreeing to accept their programming, rather than combating it and uniting together to prevent money being used to influence policy in government, by replacing government with representation that works, not just folk who have pushed paper their whole career, and never ACTUALLY worked a day in their lives.


A lot of talk...but you have accomplished nothing on the grand scale. You lost the Brexit vote...

I think you have been into conspiracy theories for too long man. Sometimes...a bird is just a bird.




My enemies are those who cannot accept immigrants into their communities.


I guess plenty of your countrymen are now your enemies. By your own choice.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:00 AM
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The hyperbole and lies that the MSM slings at Trump is ridiculous at times. CNN has turned into a "Bash Trump" station as an example and they always ignore Hillary's dirt and scandals, or at the very least, footnote them.
edit on 5-10-2016 by Bloodydagger because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

You think your nation had nothing to do with the War On Terror? I think you are talking rot, because the EU government had a fair bit to do with it, as have the intelligence agencies of every western nation. They operate in packs, as if you did not know, and largely without proper oversight from the representatives of the people they are supposed to protect. But whatever, I suppose your nation is the only exception to that?

We did not lose the Brexit vote.

Contrary to popular opinion, the vote was not carried exclusively by knuckle dragging xenophobes, although there are many of them around this place these days, to our shame as a nation. The vote was carried by those of us who realise that our initial membership was not ratified by the people prior to our joining, rendering the membership void in the first place, owing to clauses in various documents from yesteryear, guaranteeing the people the right to decide before any choice is made on their behalf in matters pertaining to transfer of lawmaking power, or having any power than their own wielded over them. It was carried by people who wanted our nations corporatist government, separated from the corporatist support network that the EU actually is.

My intention is to see the Conservative party thrown out of government at the next election, so that we can begin to clear out the money men from the political process, and by so doing purify our political landscape, so that only principled and practically capable people, FROM the working class backgrounds which make up the majority of our nations population (including those who are drawn from historically migrant families) are installed as our representatives, people who will behave like a public servant should, not as a master, but as a functionary, as the right hand of the people, rather than the rod which is placed up their backs, as is the case presently.

I want a government who will ban the intelligence services from operating mass surveillance, who will prevent and combat fascism at home, and who will only enter into any form of warfare, overt or covert, with nations whose GOVERNMENTS pose a threat to our existence as a nation. If that costs me my life because our borders are not defended adequately against terrorists we paid for, then so be it. If it means that we are poorer because less people want to trade with us, then so be it. Hell, I am poor anyway. At this point, it will make little difference to me or anyone who ACTUALLY works for a living these days, since we are all floating on the same wave of sewerage and none of us benefit from any of it one whit, despite appearances to the contrary.

That is what I voted out for, and you may scoff, but out of the EU we have a much better chance of installing a socially responsible government, than we ever had in it.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: angeldoll

But those same tax breaks are available to all - or don't you believe in equality.



NOPE...The Tax Break that Donald Trump exploited to claim 1B in losses is a LOOP-HOLE available to Real-Estate developers.

It allowed Trump to...
Buy properties (Casinos, buildings)
Put up a small fraction of HIS money...let's say 1 Million.
BORROW 99 Million from investors and banks.
FAIL..His casinos suck and lose money.

Then...he declared bankruptcy...Stiffs investors and banks for the 99 Million he owes on the deal..He loses only 1 Million of what he put up.

BUT the laws afforded him to declare the entire 100M in losses on his taxes even though he lost only a 1M..

He gets back to business after bankruptcy, but doesn't pay taxes for 20 years...thus SHIFTING the tax burden to EVERYONE ELSE to cover his share.



Your objecting to the fact that he makes more money than you.


Bernie Madoff made more money than Trump. To borrow a line, I don't judge a man's success by the size of his wallet.
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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




You think your nation had nothing to do with the War On Terror? I think you are talking rot, because the EU government had a fair bit to do with it, as have the intelligence agencies of every western nation. They operate in packs, as if you did not know, and largely without proper oversight from the representatives of the people they are supposed to protect. But whatever, I suppose your nation is the only exception to that?


I stand by it. Not all western nations have interest or even the resources to do the things you say. I can tell you for certain...my country has no intelligence agency in that sense. We have 1 agency and it's mostly concerned by local matters, mostly corrupt local politicians.




We did not lose the Brexit vote. Contrary to popular opinion, the vote was not carried exclusively by knuckle dragging xenophobes, although there are many of them around this place these days, to our shame as a nation. The vote was carried by those of us who realise that our initial membership was not ratified by the people prior to our joining, rendering the membership void in the first place, owing to clauses in various documents from yesteryear, guaranteeing the people the right to decide before any choice is made on their behalf in matters pertaining to transfer of lawmaking power, or having any power than their own wielded over them. It was carried by people who wanted our nations corporatist government, separated from the corporatist support network that the EU actually is.


I feel as if you changed your tune. You were against the Brexit before it happened if I recall...maybe I'm mistaken.



My intention is to see the Conservative party thrown out of government at the next election


I'm not in the know about your Conservative party...but still, I would never state something like that...even though I'm against the conservatives in a traditional sense. They obviously represent the vast number of voters and they have a right to have it's representatives in the parliament. No matter how much it displeases you.

What you speak off borders on totalitarian and actually quite in line with the recent liberal craze that sweeping the western nations.

We dont like certain people...so we should remove them from a place they have a right to be.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5




Speak for yourself...and your own definition of "success"..


Are you going to provide a definition with which to apply to the dictionary?



To borrow a line, I have never judged a man's success by the size of his wallet.



When you amass billions, provide jobs for tens of thousands,


Bernie Madoff, Saddam Hussein and thousands of other folks amassed greater wealth than Trump. I don't consider them successes in any way that is important to me. We all die and there are an infinite number of things more important to our brief time here than the number of shiny objects we adorn our nest with.
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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

You see, thats the thing...

The government we have at the moment? Less than a third of eligible voters actually voted for them. That is not a majority in any sense, so they attained their position after an election the results of which, should have been seen as a vote of no confidence in ANY party, not a vote for any one party. Our current government essentially, should not be in power, because they won no mandate what so ever to claim the power they currently wield.

Less people voted in the election that saw them take "victory" than voted in the EU ballot. EU ballot day saw near enough 75% of people eligible to vote, go ahead and do so. Last time there was a general election only thirty four percent of those who could have voted, felt that they had a representative in ANY of the parties. At the time there was no socialist representation at all, because we had a Red Tory Labour Party, rather than a genuinely left leaning, properly principled, working persons Labour party. Today, things are different. The Labour Party is under new management, and next time we go to the ballot box, I have a firm belief that we will see a polar shift in the politics of this country, away from the harmfully intolerant right, toward an inclusive and people powered left.

The future is not yet set, and not in the least lost.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




Less than a third of eligible voters actually voted for them.


and even less then that voted against "them"...




Our current government essentially, should not be in power, because they won no mandate what so ever to claim the power they currently wield.


well...it was what it was...you're probably right in a sense that there were no parliament elections...but somehow...I feel as if the transition that happened was only natural.

I for one actually aplauded the UK for having balls...finally someone.



The Labour Party is under new management, and next time we go to the ballot box, I have a firm belief that we will see a polar shift in the politics of this country, away from the harmfully intolerant right, toward an inclusive and people powered left.


Whatever man...your choices are your own. But I must state the everything you've been writing here is now suspect because of this here quote. Somehow you think...that the problem is the wrong party is in power, and once your guys get in there...everything will self correct.

You are obviously still stuck in partisanship and the ever dumbing down left/right paradigm.

We are on different tracks my friend.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 10:03 AM
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Its not so much which party is in place, but which policies and direction are being followed and suggested.

Personally speaking, Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party could correct the balance that has been sliding away from people powered politics, and toward corporate consumption of government for a very long time, such a long time that a working person currently has no right to earn enough to live on, to pay rent, to pay for heat or light, let alone save anything for their future, not even a little bit, even if they work like dogs.

This slide has been happening for years, since before Tony Blair was PM. It needs to stop.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 10:16 AM
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am told Trump is anti Establishment, although some say he is more Establishment than Hillary, so all the negative comments within the MSM is the price for wanting to change things within the Establishment.

One thing I found interesting watching the BBC the other night, is a seasoned politico working in the Whitehouse warned that Trump is unchangeable. In other words the Establishment will not be able to change him or his opinions.

But I have been saying all along that Hillary will win, the Bilderbergs have spoken and she must be crowned.


Sadly, this is correct on all points.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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I think this election might be a good history lesson for us all going forward. I think its going to prove that "Change Candidates" like Sanders and Trump will have no chance of winning, no matter what. The elites want THEIR hand picked Candidate in place at the White House and that is exactly what will happen every single time.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:18 PM
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Those issues don't exist in a vacuum though.

Lets look at the Russia issue, it's great that Trump would lower tensions with Russia, but at the same time he would also increase them with China. Hillary wants to do the opposite. In the end I'm not sure it really matters who we side with there, other than our current allies are all lined up along the pro china/anti russia viewpoint. So just changing that could be quite complex and have a lot of unforeseen consequences.

On illegal immigration, Trump again has it wrong. While immigration from central and south america is a big deal, our largest block of illegal immigrants right now actually happens to be from Asia, and people come over legally on planes, then simply overstay their visas. Trump is doing something, but it's far from a comprehensive plan. Hillary is also doing something, but it's not comprehensive. Is either truly better when you consider that neither addresses the true problem?



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Its not so much which party is in place, but which policies and direction are being followed and suggested.

Personally speaking, Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party could correct the balance that has been sliding away from people powered politics, and toward corporate consumption of government for a very long time, such a long time that a working person currently has no right to earn enough to live on, to pay rent, to pay for heat or light, let alone save anything for their future, not even a little bit, even if they work like dogs.

This slide has been happening for years, since before Tony Blair was PM. It needs to stop.


I agree on one thing though..you said it...the balance of power has been sliding away from people...and that's exactly what has given birth to stronger conservatism. I myself completely understand the dynamic at work here. You may take offence here, but the ideology you represent is destroying traditions by force...and people obviously dont like it. I dont like it also. As I grow older I have come to value tradition more, some smidgen of national pride, the duty to forefathers that died defending these lands. Otherwise...all of the history is in vain.

You dont have to like it as a progressive minded person...but you just have to realize that we are here...and we are not going away. You'll have to deal with us in a normal democratic way you like so much. But I can tell you...that if things continue the way they are going...it's gonna get worse for the progressives. Brexit is just a small example of it.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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is either truly better when you consider that neither addresses the true problem?


Even if you're right, you dont have any other choice...so...it has to come down to a lesser evil thing. And in the end again...to what each of us personally perceives as evil.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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My forefathers fought for my rights, precisely so that traditions, like the poor remaining poor, like the oppressed having nothing to look forward to but death, like power being held by the few and wielded over the many, would eventually end. They fought the government to ensure that our people would have access to healthcare that would be free at point of issue, they fought to protect and enshrine our rights, as workers and citizens, through periods in history where we had none what so ever. My family is old, but not rich or powerful. We only maintain our existence today, because our forefathers fought to give us the right to do so.

We honour them by continuing to fight to balance the scale, by never giving in despite financial hardship, by never turning our backs on those we could assist, by living according to principles of compassion and respect for others, and by gumption above all other things. It would do my forefathers no honour, to allow anything but an increase in freedom from economic oppression, greater equity between people. Essentially, where one of us has found themselves absent their rights, all of us must react as if we ourselves had none, until all DO have their rights, because unless everyone has the same freedoms, none of us have any. The shackles cannot remain about our wrists, and we will not stop sawing until they are gone, nought but a memory.

That IS our tradition. It is one I am proud to continue.



posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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Bravo well said sir!.
We are going to be fine...The only thing to fear is fear itself and we are not cowards we spit in the face of fear!.
Sorry you roused the proudness in me
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posted on Oct, 5 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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It would do my forefathers no honour, to allow anything but an increase in freedom from economic oppression, greater equity between people. Essentially, where one of us has found themselves absent their rights, all of us must react as if we ourselves had none, until all DO have their rights, because unless everyone has the same freedoms, none of us have any.


I'm not really sure who you're against man. What's the economic oppression? Are you worse off then how your forefathers lived ?

Greater equality ? You dont want equality...you want voices silenced...voices not approving you ideology. Again you venture into these pipe dreams about freedom and liberty.

And which one of "you" got their rights taken...which people are these...when you say..."one of US". Who is this "US" to you ? Brits ? Whites ? All people ? Conservatives also ?

Come now my friend...you got lost in the forest of idealism...but it's all contradictory to itself. Your forefathers would never like the world of today. It's simply inevitable.




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