Bombshell: Over 1,000 Illegal Voters in Eight Virginia Localities

a reply to: projectvxn

You are confusing an ID with proving citizenship.

a reply to: Phage

Once again, how does it prevent legal citizens from voting?

a reply to: projectvxn

Once again

I happen to have a passport. I'm not sure a lot of my neighbors do but I do know they are legal citizens.

a reply to: projectvxn

Because if they don't have an official ID for whatever reason then it would cost them.

How does voter ID laws prevent the ID fraud that is what leads to this type of thing?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Because if they don't have an official ID for whatever reason then it would cost them.

I propose that anyone that is too poor to afford an ID card is usually on government assistance. You need an ID for those programs.

But if that is really the case then I propose that any such ID laws take into account economic status of the applicant for ID and offer reduced or free ID issuance.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: projectvxn

Once again

I happen to have a passport. I'm not sure a lot of my neighbors do but I do know they are legal citizens.

You don't need a passport to vote. Even with voter ID laws.

a reply to: projectvxn

I propose that anyone that is too poor to afford an ID card is usually on government assistance. You need an ID for those programs.

I do agree that is a fair point, but not everyone wants to use them.
Free ID would be the answer, but it still does nothing tocombat the ID fraud which is the crux of the issue.
You have to have an ID to register to vote, so those that are registered and illegal already have the ID.

a reply to: projectvxn

You don't need a passport to vote. Even with voter ID laws.

Can you name other ways in which one might prove their citizenship?
Birth certificate?

Even with voter ID laws.

I think ID is required in every state, it is in Va. The point is having to prove citizenship.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Some states provide ID's free of charge for voting purposes.

For starters they can match your id to their vote rolls. Secondly if they illegally obtain an ID by lying about their citizenship in order to vote it furthers the case of fraud, meaning they cant claim ignorance. it establishes intent on their part to violate the law.

Now if the Federal courts would stop preventing states from updating / purging voter rolls...

a reply to: Xcathdra

So what do more ID laws accomplish?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Now if the Federal courts would stop preventing states from updating / purging voter rolls...

What? You want dead people on the rolls?
You want people who have moved out of state on the rolls?

a reply to: Phage

It's a declaration under penalty of perjury that the info provided when filling out voter forms is accurate / correct. Again it goes to intent to knowingly break the law by lying.

The persons info can then be (should be anyways) purged from the voter rolls and to be honest I think they should attach a note to the Id info that they tried to illegally vote.

Also an ID requires the person to vote at a specific location in a specific state.

a reply to: Phage

Can you name other ways in which one might prove their citizenship? Birth certificate?

This is what REAL ID was supposed to address.

In the State of Nevada I needed my citizenship certificate(it would be a birth cert for natural citizens), DD214 to mark veteran status on my ID, and I also needed to provide a tax form to verify social security, my SS card, and I provided them with residential proof.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Indeed. Seems odd that someone who is presumably trying to keep a low profile would take such a risk.

a reply to: projectvxn

That's my point. You, being a veteran, have that. Not every citizen does.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Let's analyze this.

The bombshell disclosure was made in a report released by the Virginia Voters Alliance based on findings from the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

So we've got a Tea Party group reporting on "findings" of another dubious sounding agenda-driven group. That's fine though, let's see what they found and if it's something to be alarmed about.

I was curious of how they discovered all these illegals myself so I looked at the report. Guess what? It's a bunch of voter registration forms that were rejected by election officials.

They themselves didn't uncover anything except that some number of "illegals" AREN'T making it through the registration process.

Let's pretend they all did though to see what kind of impact they would have. No need to let this anti-immigration doom porn die before it's even had a chance to grow!

There are what? 11 districts in Virginia and these are the numbers from 8 of them over 2 elections. So let's do some quick back of the napkin math here. ((1,046/8) * 11)/2 = 719. So even if all 719 of these "alien invaders" HADN'T had their registration rejected (AND THEY DID), we'd be talking about what percent of the vote here?

In 2012 the total number of votes cast in the presidential election? 1,971,820+1,822,522 = 3,794,342

In 2008? 1,959,532+1,725,005 = 3,684,537

So that's 7,478,879/2 = 3,739,439.5 (I'll round down) and 719 is 0.019% of the vote. (less than 1/50th of 1 percent)

Obama won the popular vote by 149,298 in 2012 which was closer than 2008. That's just short of 4% of the total vote. So yes, if 19,900% more of these non-citizens were able to vote than were caught, we might be talking about something.

As it is, there's 0 evidence that ANY non-citizens DID vote and this is 100% propaganda.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: projectvxn

That's my point. You, being a veteran, have that. Not every citizen does.

I'm missing your point.

You don't need a DD214 to get a REAL ID compliant ID card.

Meh ...

They've come here breaking the law. Who would expect them to abide by ANY of our other laws?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Konduit

Yeah the left pushed for the banning of using the term illegal alien and instead pushed undocumented alien. Jay Leno nailed it when he said the correct term is undocumented Democrat.

So you mean that even legal immigrants et al lean to the left...less government, less guns, etc? Jeez that must be scary for some folk, many even both sides, to think that these immigrants, legal or otherwise may be somewhat more genteel than homegrown citizens..Oh dear!
I dare say some far right leaning groups will have ways and means to counter that, legally or otherwise..in fact they do, those with the mesage from God at the pulpits on Sunday, sorry Sundays, promoting candidates and flaunting the IRS perhaps?
How can this be so, when the church is separated from the state?

a reply to: projectvxn

How do you demonstrate your citizenship?