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ATS!! Is it our time to REVOLT? If so... HOW?

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posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: MamaJ

Your JFK quote is attributed to the wrong Kennedy brother. Bobby is actually the one that said that during a speech about unrest in Latin America and the US' influence in the area.

JFK did say "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

The more you know





posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: SaturnFX




We revolt through votes. every 2 to 4 years we overturn governments we as a collective decide isn't for us.


Do we really?

How's that working out for us?

The majority of citizens find the system fine (so long as their candidate gets elected, otherwise its a terrible mess)
The issue is the citizens (if there is a issue). Education will sway voters (maybe) to vote differently, for rich people to donate differently, etc.
What you are suggesting is a dictatorial overthrow of a elected government followed by...what...what????
You failed to answer what you do in its place.
answer what takes its place




The corporation of America petroleum, I mean patrolling, the world has to stop.

so just America as the power? What about Russia or China?



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: jonsoup
You go first.


AAAAH I'm not going, YOU GO!



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Which is ironic. Because when people in

situations brought on by poor life choices, thug worship, drug culture, and gang warfare

finally erupt in

opportunity looting and racism


anger at the system's

enforcement of law on thugs who point guns at cops and disobey the law


the rest of America calls them

out


and praises police for

Doing their job in the face of such hostile savages



So forgive me for doubting that people here really want this "revolt" as much as they claim they do. Otherwise, they'd be trying to help the protesters and demographics who are already at the tipping point.

the people on here have legit concerns about the constitutional government overstepping their place.
the protesters you are recommending are angry black criminals get shot when they resist arrest and point guns and crap at cops.


Oh & you forgot prescription drugs and alcohol.

alcohol?


People in this society absolutely need both of those. So if there ever was this mythical desired revolt, TPTB would just have to stop the supply of prescription drugs & alcohol

give me a orange, some sugar, and a bit of yeast and I will make you some top stuff.
nice to see your irrational islamic teachings being pushed though.
hurr durr alcohol is not halal!
Show me on the map of earth where alcohol is banned and I will show you a islamic poophole with dictators oppressing the country quite nicely...but at least there is no alcohol, amirite?


You also forgot that most American adults

Have helped build


the system, be it through Social Security, Medicare, leases/mortgages/land deeds/car notes, investments, 401K's, insurance policies, etc. So if TPTB really wanted to stop any revolution in its tracks, they could just threaten to freeze any accounts/assets in each revolutionary's name. Plus, there are so many wedge issues in America that it would be easy to deflect one demographic to fight another. We can't unite long enough to get anything of substance done, anyway.

And we shouldn't if unification means tearing down what society builds.
traitors and anarchists think as you suggest

ok, I was a bit over the top, but just showing you that your perception is very jaded and one sided, and the opposing side is just as easily valid.
BLM is a mess, no. I wont join them in the same way I wont join the tea party express nonsense (aka, I think it was called the white people revolt) or the bundy ranch (the "redneckining'). All are a perspective that unless you fit in their tiny bubble, is just a very exclusive grieviance that ultimately want to rewrite the laws to suit their little groups ideals.

society is built by the many..the few will always feel its broken if they view things differently, but thats just how it is. society is for the many, the few can assimilate, or simply leave to find their own eutopia...perhaps Somalia or something where its totally free.



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX



The majority of citizens find the system fine

According to who? You? I disagree. I believe the majority are sick and tired of the same ole BS.




You failed to answer what you do in its place.


No one has asked me and any thread I do offer such. I was the OP asking ATS. You are not offering any solution other than going back to sleep and enjoy the ride because all is ok and Americans are happy go lucky with a corrupt system. You do not think there is a problem so I won't ask you for a solution. You are a select few that think all is ok and our vote counts.

For starters... I would need a lot of people to help me. Just me won't do it. Basically.. meet oppression with resistance.

ALL citizens or as many as I could get would have to abandon the system. Bring it down from the top. Use your imagination... not going to work, not taking your kids to prison, not getting gas, not buying clothes, not buying groceries, not voting... ya know.... all go on strike for as many days as it takes all the while have prepared. Rally against one person who we want to lead us. We could design a much smaller government with natural laws in mind and all other laws be done away with. Pull ALL our troops from the ME and work to protect US at home and build communities that barter. Forget the FED.



It takes people to work for the people. We are a team and I am one of many who are disgraced by the elected and wonder who in their right mind can think today's way is the only way.




What you are suggesting is a dictatorial overthrow of a elected government


Where did I suggest this ??





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posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: MamaJ
I was the OP asking ATS.

You can buy massive swaths of lands, like 50 square mile plots in remote parts of Chile. you can move there and basically live as your own king.
I recommend getting like minded people disenfranchised with the democratic republic and pool money together, and live as a commune. I imagine with a solid plan, you will be able to get a fair number of people to chip in.

You can get 1500 acres of land for about 6 million (or 96 acres for under 1)

the USA isn't going to change and turn into fifedoms or anything else. the system sucks, it just sucks less than any other system out there.

But that doesn't mean you are stuck here. life is too short to try to change the world, but you can change your surroundings and make your own part in the world.

Chile property
Take a look...it may sound far fetched, but why...just pack up, buy some solar panels, get some like minded folks, and enjoy your days
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posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

LOL This is exactly what I mean. You don't even know what's actually going on in those areas, much less why they're erupting in anger. But it's so easy to deflect one demographic against another that there will never be any unity on some supposed "revolt". At best, there would be hundreds of non-allied revolts, and they'd all get crushed because people like you believe what you see on tv instead of listening to the actual grievances of the people on the ground.

And for the record, the vast majority aren't looters, don't worship "thug culture", and have nothing to do with the other things you mentioned. I've talked on ATS before about the actual law enforcement corruption in those neighborhoods, and how corrupt police protect the illegal activities as long as they get bribes & info in return (from "informants"). But of course, you ignored that & resorted to ignorant stereotypes. It would be like me saying that all conservatives who support gun rights must be racist militia-types, since that's the stereotype that tv presents. If I can see past the media narrative, why can't you?

As for police doing their jobs of crushing violent protesters: What do you think a revolution is?! LOL The very point of this thread is that supposedly people are at a tipping point and are curious if now is the time to revolt. Of course law enforcement, the criminal justice system, and even our military would be used against any revolution or small scale uprising that can lead to a revolution. Their job is to maintain the current system! (facepalm)

But if it makes you feel any better, perhaps I should also applaud law enforcement every time they crush protesters from your side even though there are legit grievances? Turnabout's fair play, right?
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posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

Im not interested in changing my location. Im interested in making a change here at home. You should be too and not suggesting people move. When it hits your doorstep maybe you and I will be on the same page.

also.

You failed to answer any of my many questions.
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posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: MamaJ

Not that I disagree with you, I don't.

The problem with revolt is that sometimes the revolution brings about something far worse than the previous incantation. History has shown us that.

What do we do to insure that the revolt is for the right reasons and has the best outcome?



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 05:57 PM
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First step, leave the Red/Blue reservation and start voting for what the individual candidates stand for, not for what the party stands for. This will open the way for alternative/third-party candidates in the future.



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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Time is near Rebels be ready to rise up, revolt. Lone Star State, there is another way, time to break away. Form the Thirteen Colonies, Alamo as the Capital of them all. Nor more Yankee States, Rebels to the Continental Divide, unite ready to fight. Government is something necessary, rule and law. Our government should have represented the people it serves and not the money that keeps it in place. The US Constitution was written by men who saught freedom, many of whom at that same time possessed slaves. They declared all men were created igual, forming a system that was un igual, power structure that reflects the money which put it in place making way for the elitist who lead us. It's a system that discriminates according to class as much as race. System where justice is bought, the glove didn't fit, we all wittnessed it, along with so many other cases were money enables the guilty to go free, inocent people who are seldom learned of, serve time. We are living under a failed system, time people realize it won't be fixed, it's time for something different. Rebels get ready, at election time Yankee Sam is planning on starting riots. Osama Bin Obama has been a psyops. Barrie was born in Indonesia, father was a cult leader, Michelle is a tranvestite. Barrie isn't a communist nor a muslim, though was instructed to innuendo it. Six corporations own all of the main stream media. DIA psyop agents at all the media outlets instructing on how and what to talk. Black with White frequently being said was instructed. Ask youself why is it a black man, white cop, hispanic stood by. That type reporting sounds rediculous, racists, ingnorant, something that should be deemed unacceptable. Yankee Sam is insuring that black, white is bieng pounded into the minds of the listeners, viewers, making for tensions. If main stream were to replace black with African American, white with Caucasian, every time those words are said, the racial problems would subside. African Americans are being encouraged to riot, media calling it demonstrating, exercising ones rights. There are seventy six million, predominately African American, Muslims residing inside of the Yankee territory. The media has been tieing colors to the black lives matter group, been tieing black with red, (example CNN Baltimore Riots, Don Lemon piece on Colors, gangs got tegother, fighting the police, a group of around fifteen red colored gang members were shown, the spokesman, in the very center had a black colar, non of the rest did, there are many other such examples,) black with red are communist colors. Green is often seen with the BLM movement, Yankee Sam is coloring in the signs demonstrators hold, coloring them green, or putting green onto their clothes, and objects. Green traffic lights glowing in the pictures, depicting violence with distruction. Green represents Mohamed, the religion of Islam. Yankee Sam has been running sub conscious MKULTRA colors on the public. People are being programmed, African Americans will be deemed an enemy of the state, known as Black Muslim Communists or Black Muslim Socialists. Riots are certain to occur at election time, it has been planned for many years. Yankee Sam will enact Marshall Law stirpping the citizens of their rights. Continental Divide Rebels time to unite, Lone State break away, Thirteen Colonies in the making. Bigbossjock has uploaded videos on youtube, My stimoceiver explained Baltimore Riots MKUlTRA ran. I am implanted with a stimoceiver, controlled daily by the C.I.A., command center located inside of the Shasta Dam. By making the public aware, I hope to gain my freedom from stimoceiver program. Please watch my videos Thanksa reply to: MamaJ



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: SaturnFX

LOL This is exactly what I mean. You don't even know what's actually going on in those areas,

bold considering you know nothing about me, where I am, my situation, my experiences. you just assume that since my perspective is different than yours, I must be some fox news watching hillbilly worried about dem blacks or some such convenient stereotype you drummed up in your head.


But it's so easy to deflect one demographic against another

BLM isn't a demographic, blm is not black people, it is a movement that has many aspects of it, from a fair criticism of what you mentioned about police corruption, to the absurd race aspect and how high crime areas are patrolled too much. And then you have the catalyst for it all which is more often than not a proper thug doing thug stuff and getting shot..like somehow you aren't even supposed to shoot someone threatening your life.
fact is, black youth accounts for 9 times more murders than white people (and about 6 times more than hispanic). This means they do a lot more crime, this is due to the gang warfare / drug culture going on in the hood. you can deny it, you can deny gravity also, stats are stats.
So, its either a culture thing going on here (gangs, drugs, etc) or it is literally a black people are savages by nature...I dismiss that view and put it on a toxic culture being promoted by rappers and others in the black community. stereotypes by the big guys (jay'z, ludacris, etc) do more damage to the black youths mind than a thousand klansman could ever wish for, and people who reject this acknowledgment are enabling the stagnation of the black community from integration.
aka, you are inadvertantly hyper racist and directly helping black people get shot by making excuses.

BLM wont address this, BLM wont address how black people shoot up other black people at a rate of 9 times more than white people shooting up whites. Why? WHY?! is it BLM as a principle, or only when its a dog whistle to rally against police and whitey?

toxic community is toxic. acknowledging the issue is step 1 to take blm seriously, until then, its just a bunch of moaning jacktard racists trying to bust windows to get free tv and blame the white man


that there will never be any unity on some supposed "revolt". At best, there would be hundreds of non-allied revolts, and they'd all get crushed because people like you believe what you see on tv instead of listening to the actual grievances of the people on the ground.

I dont watch TV "news'. who does that anymore. todays news comes from social media, from youtube, from people on the ground voicing their opinions, videoing without filter, etc. no media narrative. a million million people speaking direct.


the vast majority aren't looters,

oh I would agree that most arent, but the movement is a mess. the champions they hold up are dodgy, they never address the inherent issues with black community..and the fact they even promote a black community is inherently segregationist by the fact they call it that, but whatever, it is what it is..little china, little italy, etc.


don't worship "thug culture",

Most black youth take part in the black experience of america, and the black experience is rap music, authority shunning, etc. You know this is true, I know its true. we most likely both spent plenty of time in the hood to agree this is the norm.
Even Obama writes of how in his youth he was becoming this way, he was a stereotype, and it wasn't until he actively moved away from this trap of the "black experience' and became his own person did he start achieving success.
But I guess Obama must be some alt-right racist speaking strawmen about the blacks.


and how corrupt police protect the illegal activities as long as they get bribes & info in return (from "informants").

A fair and reasonable thing to protest. pity BLM isn't protesting that. corruption in the force is disgusting and that absolutely can unite everyone to fight. I see it, and its something to be addressed in seriousness.


But of course, you ignored that & resorted to

real world observations


It would be like me saying that all conservatives who support gun rights must be racist militia-types,

Plenty are, but gun rights isn't a movement, nor is there a message outside of dont remove the right to bear arms. you dont have to be a conservative to want to keep a constitutional thing, legal. thats sort of the responsibility of all citizens.


since that's the stereotype that tv presents. If I can see past the media narrative, why can't you?

I dont watch tv news...or really anything outside of like..game of thrones and vikings. TV is crap


But if it makes you feel any better, perhaps I should also applaud law enforcement every time they crush protesters from your side even though there are legit grievances? Turnabout's fair play, right?

Cool. absolutely...if my "side" (my side is center/left..so thats pretty dull of a revolt outside of like, wanting to protect the integrity of the internet as the main concern) starts pointing guns at cops...I will basically just chuckle and state you dont point guns at cops and expect to continue breathing.

You want a revolution...gain influence, spread information without sounding like a radical nutjob, and try to enact sensible reforms in the local government, then try to help restructure in a fair way policys that focus on equality and education...but hey, why do things the long hard way when we can just bust a window and take a tv for...justice...or something.

btw, I enjoy the way you debate. I reject a lot of your views, but you discuss well and fairly.



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: Bigbossjock
Michelle is a tranvestite.

Google Sasha and Malia
That is the product of Michelle and Barack.

Now, this is embarassing, but the actual story of storks delivering babies isn't true...eesh..lemme see...google "how are babies made" and you will find a issue with the idea of Michelle being a transvestite.

See...when a biological man and a biological woman love each other very much....


take your meds!
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posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: SaturnFX

Im not interested in changing my location. Im interested in making a change here at home.

They wont.
"Time can change me, but I cant change time"
People like the system..hense why it remains standing.
If anything, people are pushing to change it for the worse, with safe spaces, limiting free speech online, etc..this is getting popular support, and that sucks.
The politicians are the ones actually pushing back from these millenial jackarses trying to shove regressive segregationist neo-puritanism into law.


You should be too and not suggesting people move. When it hits your doorstep maybe you and I will be on the same page.

Pffffffffft.
It hit my doorstep years ago.
I am moving far to the east.


also.

You failed to answer any of my many questions.

The answer..how do we make a super awesome system of freedom without going into a warlord style anarchy?
...we dont. we move...or you change the will of the people at a grassroots level and...umm...I dont know...break from the union one state at a time, creating individual nations per state, and perhaps individual kingdoms within each state, and hope that some outside influence doesn't invade.



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: MamaJ

Self immolation has started revolutions in the past.

I doubt any Americans have the guts to do such a thing.



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: Bigbossjock

There is a big button on your keyboard...to the right looks a bit like a backward L it is called the Enter Button and can be used to make new paragraphs can you attempt to use it because a block of text like that just isn't going to be read.



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: MamaJ

Because we will never find enough to do it, care about doing it...or believe it would make any difference....sadly



posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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Here is the plan for your revolution

Step one: find your figure head, this person better be a known celebrity other wise people will ignore you group.

Step two: agree on a theology and laws and guide lines

Step three: prepare to be ignored as you try and teach the masses about your revolution, as I can safely assume you didn't get an A list celebrity to back you and give up there money and career you are now regulated to cult/prepper/ or domestic terrorist status

Step 4: turn your compound into a bunker and wait for the FBI, they will be coming to talk to you about your plans, better have your story together and hope no one mentions overthrowing the establishment.

Step 5: oops some one talked, you now have tanks and apcs parked at your gate the fbi, national guard all want to have a word with you now you have three options.

Option one: give in peacefully possibly do some jail time or if you are in lucky be branded a traitor and are executed

Option two: fight end result your dead, your group was not nearly large enough to fight the us govt. Wha wha whaaaaaaa

Option three: the him Jones effect, mass suicide baby they will never take you alive cyanide and koolaide baby.. End result your dead

Step 5 if you chose option one from above try and move on with your life but cannot as you are now branded every where you go as a nutbag anti American most likely commit suicide end result your dead.

If you chose option two or three: your still dead and the world moves on, you become a foot note in future history books.

The end.
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posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: crimsongod21

Or just stop paying taxes.




posted on Oct, 1 2016 @ 09:59 PM
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You can stop paying them, you still won't get enough people to follow suit to accomplish anything, and by tying to organize such a thing you put yourself on a lot of list I don't think you want to be on....



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