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originally posted by: imjack
Every single one of them have 'secret' meetings described in their itinerary.
Obviously these are old organizations, what does it being out-of-date have to do verses non-existence?
This again is you blatantly suggesting there weren't Mason Farmers, and working around that, even though there were Farmer Masons too.
The apple of my eye is the beast. Y'all ready?
originally posted by: artistpoet
Firstly, there is no hard proof of the Illuminati's existence in the present day
Though many claim that title
We do know and have proof that the Illuminati once existed
Adam Weishaupt (Spatacus) being it's founder stated
" I am proud to be known to the world as the founder of the Illuminati"
Here are few other quotes of Adam's to wet the appetite
of those interested in gleaning an understanding of the Illuminati's philosphy
"When man lives under government, he is fallen,
his worth is gone, and his nature tarnished."
« And what is this general object? The happiness of the human race. But where are the proper persons, the good, the generous and the accomplished to be found? And how, and by what strong motives, are they to be induced to be engaged, in a task so vast, so incessant, so difficult and so laborious? "
"Morality will perform all this; and Morality is the fruit of Illumination."
"This is the great object held out by this association; and the means of attaining it is illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason which will dispell the clouds of superstition and of prejudice"
More reading of writings and correspondance of Adam Weishaupt can be found in the link below
Now the big question is
Are there any who have carried the flame forward in to this present day
How can we judge who is adhering to the original philosphy and who is not
Simple ... We need to examine the ideas/philosophy of Adam Weishaupt
Then apply that to modern groups such as the one I am a member of
Here is a link to the archives of this group
Now there is no hard proof this group is the true Illuminati
All we can do is examine the ideas
This group is an outreach experiment
A department of the larger organisation
What was the reason for creating this outreach experiment
To dispell the idle gossip and malicous rumours attributed to the Illuminati
This thread is to allow discussion on the ideas put forward by this group and also the ideas of Adam Weishaupt
Speculation is also welcomed for consideration
But if you wish to pooh pooh the ideas without proof of perceived falsity
You will be peeing in the wind
originally posted by: mysticalmetalhippie
Peace and love ! Manly p. hall as in masonic hall was criminally insane , stupid materialst , fraternity bully , sun worshipper , fake mystic and con artist , with no talent , just like all pharisees ! As all in the mainstream are con artists ! Peace and love from the mystical metal hippie
originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: InachMarbank
G is Grace, the Flaming Star is the Torch of Reason. Those who possess this knowledge are indeed Illuminati. Adam Weishaupt
Every human is guided by an inner compass that points toward the Light, revealing truth and direction when faced with decisions.
The Second Emanation: Mind the Maker "And forthwith, the Word of God leapt up from the downward-tending elements of Nature to the pure body of the highest Sphere that had already existed and united with Mind the Maker, for the Word was of one substance with that mind too. And the downward-tending elements of Nature were left devoid of reason, so as to be mere matter. "Then Mind the Maker united with Reason, and He who surrounds the Spheres and spins them with His whirl, set turning His formations, and let them turn from a beginning boundless unto an endless end. For the circulation of these Spheres begins where it does end in a circle, as Mind does will. And from the downward-tending elements Nature brought forth lives without reason; for He did not extend Reason (the Logos) to them. The Air brought forth things winged; the Water things that swim, and in the Watery Substance, Earth-and-Water one from another were separated, as Mind the Maker willed. And from her bosom, Nature produced living things, four-footed animals and reptiles, beasts wild and tame.
I do not believe in coincidence However "coincidently" I was just reading The Hermetica as you posted
a reply to: AshFan
On a more serious tack, if the illuminati had any real power they would be shut down, or infiltrated by our NWO alien overlords.
You will never go looking for something you believe does not exist