10 months in jail for 87yo grandma who said Auschwitz was a labor camp.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

You´ve no base so now you´re doing semantics.

Okay then people who support this should have no problem if we put in jail people who still support the old confederacy…right?

a reply to: Discotech

This is/was the point I was trying to make and the hypocrisy of it when we condemn other nations.

But it seems as though its too difficult for some (many) of us to break thru our PC mentality...

Many here are saying that speech should be limited if its "highly offensive".

Who decides whats highly offensive?

Yet others are saying that she "broke the law".

Kind of mind blowing when we stop to consider that there are Western nations which have made it illegal to question or disagree with history...

originally posted by: Willtell
Okay then people who support this should have no problem if we put in jail people who still support the old confederacy…right?

It is not against the law to do so.

originally posted by: Willtell
Okay then people who support this should have no problem if we put in jail people who still support the old confederacy…right?

Is there a law saying it's illegal?

a reply to: Willtell

Did they put up concentration camps and killed millions because of slave work until they died alone and if not they were gassed and then burned? If not, no.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Kind of mind blowing when we stop to consider that there are Western nations which have made it illegal to question or disagree with history...

You mean to lie about history?

originally posted by: Willtell
Okay then people who support this should have no problem if we put in jail people who still support the old confederacy…right?

Is it illegal in the US to say the war wasn't over slavery? Or that it was? Or to have a bumper sticker that says the south will rise again?

No, no, and no.

a reply to: verschickter

Yes it is the same, it's making voicing an opinion illegal

Just because it was the holocaust doesn't mean it should deserve the special treatment it gets

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SeaWorthy

The notorious extremist was summoned to court, however, after declaring on television in April that "the Holocaust is the biggest and most sustainable lie in history."

www.dw.com...

Not being alowed to ask questions is as wrong as all that Hitler did imo.

And yet, when we ask detailed and pointed questions, our historians fall short. They don’t really know when, where, or how the Jews died. They have no technical explanation of how it was possible, for example, to gas thousands of people per day in a single room, and then to dispose of their bodies—such that not a trace remains. They cannot find the mass graves that allegedly held thousands of bodies. They cannot explain wartime aerial photographs that show a disturbingly calm Auschwitz camp. And they refuse to even consider a raft of contradictory evidence. In fact, many aspects of the traditional story simply don’t add up. The deeper we look, the more puzzling the picture becomes—and hence, the great mystery.

inconvenienthistory.com...

a reply to: gladtobehere

Many here are saying that speech should be limited if its "highly offensive".

No, that's not what "many are saying".

She incites riots and violence by her denial. She has cause such in the past. Thats why there was a law made in the first place, to prevent riots and violence.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Discotech

Denying millions of people were put to death is the same as denying that a few people landed on the moon?!

Puhlease!

Did she say no one died in the camp?

I think it's safe to say that claiming Auschwitz was nothing more than a labor camp is tantamount to denying that millions of innocent people were put to death there. It suggests that all they did was force them to work, and that is absolutely not true. Have you ever sat down and had a conversation with a holocaust survivor? You might find what they have to say about those death camps compelling enough to understand why this woman lying about what actually went on is so upsetting to the people of Germany. Books and documentaries truly do not do it justice.

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Willtell
Okay then people who support this should have no problem if we put in jail people who still support the old confederacy…right?

It is not against the law to do so.

Your certainly right she broke their law

But were talking philosophically here not whether she broke the law, that’s clear she did, but is the law just and democratic or something a “democracy” should do I think is the essence of the discussion.

a reply to: Discotech
Oh beg to differ. Learn some history. It still affects us germans. We´re still paying for it. So by your saying, we should stop reparations to the victims? Because that´s a special treatment in it self.

a reply to: Discotech

But she wasn't just "voicing an opinion".

Look at the first reply to this thread and you'll see the definition of sedition.

originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: verschickter

Yes it is the same, it's making voicing an opinion illegal

Right. That speech in Germany is illegal. She knows. She's been busted numerous times.

Just because it was the holocaust doesn't mean it should deserve the special treatment it gets

WHAT??? One of the greatest crimes in history should be put in the same category as, say, Waco?

originally posted by: Willtell
Okay then people who support this should have no problem if we put in jail people who still support the old confederacy…right?

If it were against the law for them to do so in this country, then that would be fitting.

We have 2016 and still some people are not able to differ between opinion, free speech and lies.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Not being alowed to ask questions is as wrong as all that Hitler did imo.

1) She wasn't asking questions.
2) Are you serious?

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: SeaWorthy

You´ve no base so now you´re doing semantics.

It was a reasonable question. During the war many people died in labor camps around the world from many causes.

Please OPENLY check out our own history both before and after ww2, argue the points all you like no law yet preventing it.

By 1941, the focus had shifted to Japanese-Americans. President Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered a list of all first and second generation Japanese in the country, including naturalized citizens and American-born citizens. On Dec. 7, 1941, more than 700 American citizens who happened to be ethnically Japanese were observing the day that would live in infamy from a prison cell.

By year-end, more than 2,000 Japanese-Americans were in detention. Several states began indiscriminate round-ups of Japanese and other "enemy aliens." At the beginning of 1942, American soldiers of Japanese descent were discharged or ordered into menial positions. San Francisco waterfronts were declared verboten to enemy aliens, including Japanese, Germans and Italians. Curfews were established, but that wasn’t enough to satisfy the slavering hordes of angry racists running federal, state and local governments.

Nine years to the day after Adolf Hitler seized the authority to revoke civil rights in Germany and create the first Nazi concentration camps, the House Committee on Unamerican Activities issues a list of charges against Americans of Japanese descent. Truman ordered the enforcement of Executive Order 9066, which authorized the president to order the "removal" of any citizen for any reason.

In March, the Federal Reserve began seizing the property and assets of Japanese-descended citizens, and the War Relocation Authority was formed to "assist" the Japanese-Americans who were being driven out of several states. By summer, well over 100,000 Japanese-Americans had been "evacuated" from the West Coast to other states and military prison camps.

Thousands of these prisoners were exploited for farm labor in the heartland, and thousands more were moved into internment camps. Ten camps were set up in all, holding around 10,000 people each.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...