Scientists Discover Massive Galaxy Made of 99.99 Percent Dark Matter !

originally posted by: pikestaff
I thought dark matter is called that because in cannot be seen? am I missing something?

They know dark matter is there by observing it's affects (gravitational pull on observable objects).

Kind of like you can't see the air but you know it's there because you can see it blowing around the leaves.

ETA. Nevermind ArtistPoet answered it already

a reply to: Alien Abduct

It just seems so unscientific.

Typically, science is about recording and analyzing observations. With dark matter, you are observing a shadow of a shadow. Not that its hogwash....only that if you get right down to it, "dark matter" and "dark energy" really only amount to a kludge to stand in for an effect of the mathematics. It could be dark matter. Or it could be calculation errors derived from misunderstanding measurements/results (i.e., a million light years is a long way for something to travel, with even minor variations accumulating exponentially along the way).

Right here on Earth we have ghosts that are photographed and recorded through anecdotes. They are no more observed/measured than dark matter....but one is science, the other isn't.

a reply to: AshFan
I never want to visit the planet of Krikkit. I'll bet they look like locust.

But, yeah it's possible that if you're so isolated from the galaxy its hard to evolve on more rapid pace as Goldilocks planets that have the full view of the universe. Maybe star systems having a nebula or stars much closer we have in their back garden eventually evolve quicker just by the fact that they could be from the outside?

a reply to: strongfp

Kaku is (amazingly) quite correct, for a TV scientist anyway, much like Carl Sagan & Patrick Moore were in their day.
The speed of light is NOT constant, we FIXED it by linking it to the oscillations of the Caesium 133 atom, which in turn could be affected by x amount of things.
Gravity could also be just a local phenomenon, how do we know the grav constant is the same in Draco as it is in Aries or Sol? We don't, we assume and that's a dangerous thing, never assume, use your eyes, observe the phenomenon, record the facts, measure everything the the nth decimal point.
I will return, when my Jedi training is complete

a reply to: 727Sky

Good post.

Dark Matter could be mass from other dimensions.

So we could be looking at a 10-dimensional object but our brains are hard wired to see it rendered as a 3 dimensional object and we can't see the mass from the other 7 dimensions so it's dark.

The invisible Dark Matter is simply mass in other dimensions. You might ask what do those six extra spatial dimensions look like:

In M-Theory this Dark Matter is not only mass in other dimensions but they are in parallel universes (where the laws of physics might not be the same as ours). The only thing shared among those superimposed parallel universes is gravity. Add our universe to those parallel universes you get the Multiverse.

www.speed-light.info...

It could be the mirror universe that Dirac talked about.

a reply to: playswithmachines

Kaku is a bad TV scientists, but he's far from one. He spent most of his career as a professor.

a reply to: neoholographic

It could also be a result of measuring redshift in light that has been subject to gravitational lensing.

a reply to: strongfp

He admits there are extra dimensions outside the ones we know, that's a start.
The problem with real professors is they can't communicate with Average Joe.
Since i am somewhere in between, i have gotten used to translating their rhetoric into laymans terms
At least i hope so

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Right here on Earth, we have ghosts that are photographed and recorded through anecdotes. They are no more observed/measured than dark matter....but one is science, the other isn't.

Science doesn't want to figure out the spirit world; One might be punished for making so many mistakes and come clean with a big paycheck, to be later on being criticised by Albert Einstein talking through a device they discovered

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: 727Sky

This is incredible.

I wonder if this galaxy has a super massive black hole in its centre, as many galaxies made largely of regular matter do, or if it formed around some other concentration of mass, as yet unknown to science.

This dark matter issue is one which fires the imagination, without a doubt, and in ways that mark interest in it apart from interest in other masses and structures in deep space.

I will be awaiting further data with great anticipation!

Hmmm that's interesting, a dark matter black hole.

What if dark energy is a byproduct of black holes. If information cannot be lost, what if dark energy is the information that was lost but cannot be lost. Make sense?

Now we're getting there!
What if energy & mass come from the same primordial soup (hey lets call it aether) and let's say that instead of matter having this magical tendency to stick together lets say that it's being squeezed together by some outside force, yes the Aether again.
Now it makes a lot more sense, you see?
ETA: what this means is, what we call a black hole or dark matter, is really just a hole in the aether.

ETA in higher theory, energy (mass) has 2 components, amount, and information It is the information, or vibration at subatomic level, that determines what a particle is, and how much energy it has etc.

Douglas Adams' brownian motion from a cup of tea forming the basics of an improbability drive is closer to science fact than science fiction. We will miss him, and Asimov, Heinlein, Verne & the rest......

Afterthought:
Soon we will know all these answers at once, and the implications of it all scare the crap out of me, but at the same time, i want to be there, in the front line, when it finally happens......

a reply to: playswithmachines

I am a mere layman when it come to science but thanks for you reply

"Energy=Mass, then the 2 are mutually interchangeable"
I can understand that idea ... With your atom bomb example
That mass can potentialy be energy when the conditions are right or put in place

Is it that stars follow this principle ... Jupiter being referred to as failed star by some
It being too small a mass to ignite/fuse
Pressure then to me comes into play as in the collapsing of nebulous material falling prey to gravity

Please forgive me If I sound dumb that is because I am in respect of science

This dark matter/dark energy idea
Does this mean that space itself is full of "stuff" which we know is there
because the laws of physics are flawed in some way in explaining what consists or holds Galaxies together
Does this apply to Solar systems also meaning other star systems
So it is assumed that something else is at play and science calls this dark matter or dark energy

I wont ramble on just wanted to know if I am on the right lines or am are flying off at a tangent through ignorance

Cheers

originally posted by: playswithmachines
a reply to: strongfp

He admits there are extra dimensions outside the ones we know, that's a start.
The problem with real professors is they can't communicate with Average Joe.
Since i am somewhere in between, i have gotten used to translating their rhetoric into laymans terms
At least i hope so

His papers and books are far more 'interesting'.
But he is a futurist and a theoretical physicist, a lot of people think he's 'crazy', but that's exactly what his job is, to think of strange and quirking things that only happen in like Star Trek and make them reality. So far, he's on the right track.

a reply to: artistpoet

Energy=Mass, then the 2 are mutually interchangeable"
I can understand that idea ... With your atom bomb example
That mass can potentialy be energy when the conditions are right or put in place

Is it that stars follow this principle ... Jupiter being referred to as failed star by some
It being too small a mass to ignite/fuse
Pressure then to me comes into play as in the collapsing of nebulous material falling prey to gravity

I guess so, but giant planets are the norm it seems, small ones like Earth are rare. I do think that rotation or gravitational enery exchange has been left out of modern physics, this explains how a spinning body affects another & also explains solar system warming (Yes all planets are getting warmer not just Earth, maybe it's a natural cycle not our SUV's)

Please forgive me If I sound dumb that is because I am in respect of science

No question is too dumb, not asking questions is dumb my freind

This dark matter/dark energy idea
Does this mean that space itself is full of "stuff" which we know is there
because the laws of physics are flawed in some way in explaining what consists or holds Galaxies together
Does this apply to Solar systems also meaning other star systems
So it is assumed that something else is at play and science calls this dark matter or dark energy

I wont ramble on just wanted to know if I am on the right lines or am are flying off at a tangent through ignorance

Not at all, i'm happy to discuss this, it's my favourite subject.

These are just my opinions, but they make more sense to me than so-called established science.
Real science, that of discovery, observation, experimentation, & invention seems to have stopped 100 years ago.
OK that's not true, we've made amazing advances in nanotech, chemistry, electronics (in which i also specialise) but yet we seem to have forgotten something important from way back when.

There are 100's of new age aether theories out there, but the ones that stand out to me were made by peeps long since dead, but i have tons of their documents, i will have to do a thread on this sometime but i'm kind of busy right now. i hope to continue my research & hope to post the results here, since i have nowhere else to go except my inventors site which is still in the build phase, and that is purely to generate interest & hopefully sell the offshoots of our research. That in turn wil fund stage 2 which is like the LHC but then 1/1000 of the cost.
Too much to do and so little time......
Later!

a reply to: strongfp

Agreed

Not related to the OP but i thought i would mention it before sleep time. If all goes well, the Inventors Group 4 Life site will be operational within a month or so, i already secured the domains and the forum has been active 12 months already.

Sometimes, we the peeps must do our own research, for our own benefit. This approach seems to work well and we intend to push it as far as it will go, there are 100 year plans, 1000 year plans in place already.
Not their plans, ours.

Which might mean that it's 100 times more likely to have life since there is a lot less action going on there. The normal wear and tear that happens between stars and planets isn't very conducive to life starting up and thriving.. Galaxies have there own zones that are more likely spots for life to start up just like suns do..

This sounds like something straight out of Star Trek!!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Alien Abduct

It just seems so unscientific.

You got to explain why galaxies look like they do and hold together, if you don't have invisible distributed mass there somewhere.

Personally, I'm rather fond of Cramer's "you're getting gravitic leaks from all the matter the next universe(s) over" conjecture. Although I don't imagine that's what it really is.

a reply to: 727Sky

.... so we can call it with 99.99% accuracy BS story. hahaha ... guys are just looking for some income in reality with this fake fabricated space discovery.... smart as F$$K DD