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DHS mysteriously rushing to naturalize immigrants before election

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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: boogiegk
You can not vote if you are dead either, but somehow they manage.


You nailed it!




posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Whatever phage, I am right.
No, you aren't. Read what you posted.
A visa is not citizenship. Those with visas cannot vote.

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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: Phage

A visa is a part of the citizenship process, which has been expedited, reducing the amount of time in order to become a citizen.

From visa to citizenship takes 6 month to a year on average.

Last year:




U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to explore options to promote and increase access to naturalization. The memorandum also directed USCIS to consider innovative ways to address barriers to such access,

www.uscis.gov...

Try again, phage.
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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: GodEmperor

Whatever phage, I am right.
No, you aren't. Read what you posted.
A visa is not citizenship. Those with visas cannot vote.




In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presidential vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Census Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

Florida is not unique. Thousands of non-citizens are registered to vote in some states, and tens if not hundreds of thousands in total may be present on the voter rolls nationwide. These numbers are significant: Local elections are often decided by only a handful of votes, and even national elections have likely been within the margin of the number of non-citizens illegally registered to vote.

Yet there is no reliable method to determine the number of non-citizens registered or actually voting because most laws to ensure that only citizens vote are ignored, are inadequate, or are systematically undermined by government officials. Those who ignore the implications of non-citizen registration and voting either are willfully blind to the problem or may actually favor this form of illegal voting.


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How the United States, to this day, does so little to ensure that one of the most important task of a citizen (voting) is protected and maintained baffles my mind. I understand the reason for it (those who "give free things" to some people will own their votes and will remain in power) but I struggle to comprehend how we let it get this bad.



posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

In the video the reporter said "800 immigrants who were supposed to be deported were instead made citizens"

800 isn't even a drop in the bucket, how would this affect anything?


That's just one group. Did you not read the other sources I gave? including the legal status and work permits to 5 million illegal immigrants?



posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor



A visa is a part of the citizenship process, which has been expedited, reducing the amount of time in order to become a citizen.

Getting a visa does not affect requirements for citizenship. In fact, a visa does not help one fulfill the requirements since they are only valid for a limited time.



U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to explore options to promote and increase access to naturalization. The memorandum also directed USCIS to consider innovative ways to address barriers to such access,
You have a problem with naturalization of immigrants?


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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I have a problem with expediting the process for political gains, effectively creating a new democrat voting bloc.



posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

How do those visa rules do that?

How does an outreach program expedite the naturalization process? Does it reduce the requirements?

Are all immigrants Democrats? Or does the "expedited" system require that they register as Democrats?
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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I guess Phage cannot phantom how illegal immigrants would vote for democrats when democrats are the ones promising illegal immigrants to make them legal and citizens and are the ones forgiving the crimes they committed as illegal immigrants such as not paying taxes.
edit on 28-9-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


I guess Phage cannot phantom how illegal immigrants would vote for democrats when democrats are the ones promising illegal immigrants to make them legal citizens and are the ones forgiving the crimes they committed as illegal immigrants such as not paying taxes.
I guess the OP forgot his OP was about immigrants becoming naturalized at a terrifying rate so they can vote Democrat.
 

Anyway, for a bit of perspective:

In 2014 there were 653,416 immigrants naturalized.
The top 4:
Other 238,540 37%
Mexico 94,889 15%
India 37,854 6%
Philippines 34,591 5%
www.dhs.gov...


If all of those new citizens voted, it would have increased number of 2012 Presidential votes by 0.5%.
If all of those new citizens had voted for Romney he still would have been trounced.

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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Getting a visa gives legality to an illegal immigrant, and with the other programs implemented by the Obama administration after being made legal residents, their citizenship applications are being rushed. It used to take 5 years for a legal resident to become a U.S. citizen, under the Obama administration it can take a few months to a year... Phage, please learn to read the sources provided, thank you...
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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

A visa is not a part of the citizenship process. A visa is simply permission to be in a country for a specific reason. A work visa is legal permission to be employed in a country. A tourist visa is legal permission to enter a country as a tourist. Some countries even have additional types of visas, such as traveling visas.

ETA: And as Phage mentioned, visas have time limits. For instance, tourist visas usually are in the 30 to 90 days range, depending on the country.
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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




It used to take 5 years for a legal resident to become a U.S. citizen, under the Obama administration it can take a few months to a year.
False.
www.uscis.gov...
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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Visas are not the only way the Obama administration is been making illegal immigrants into legal residents. It is just one of the ways the Obama administration has been doing it...

Already shown some of the other ways they have been doing it, which you, alongside Phage seem to be ignoring.


Illegal Immigration 2015: Work Permits Given To 1 Million Immigrants Who Weren't Eligible To Work In US, Report Finds
By Howard Koplowitz @howardkoplowitz On 02/06/15 AT 4:11 PM

Nearly a million illegal immigrants got work permits in the first six years of the Obama administration, the Center for Immigration Studies says in a report. Among the illegal immigrants who obtained work permits were people who were denied asylum, were suspected of using fraudulent documents or were stowaways, the conservative research group said.

“I was astonished at the huge number of work permits that are being issued by the Obama administration outside the legal immigration system through executive discretion, especially at a time of high unemployment and stagnant wages,” Jessica Vaughn, the center’s director of policy studies, said in a statement. “Besides the effect on the American worker, it encourages and rewards more illegal immigration.”
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www.ibtimes.com...

Here is one of the ways on how visas are also being used by the Obama administration to allow illegal immigrants to re-enter the United States despite laws that prohibit this.


Obama Admin Expands Re-entry Waivers for Illegal Aliens

Published:
Tue, Aug 9th 2016 @ 2:25 pm EDT

The Obama Administration finalized a new rule that expands upon a 2013 rule that waives the 3-year/10-year re-entry bars imposed on illegal aliens once they become eligible for a green card. The policy could encourage the 4.5 million people on the family-based green cards backlog to move to the U.S. illegally while they wait for their green cards to become available.

Under U.S. law, an alien who has been detected living illegally in the U.S. is prohibited from re-entering the country for 3-years or 10-years depending on when they first entered the country illegally. Detained illegal aliens who have been in the country for less than a year are barred from re-entry for 3 years, aliens who have been in the country illegally for over a year are supposed to be barred for 10 years. When an illegal alien becomes eligible for a green card they must return to their home country to receive the green card, but that puts them at risk of being apprehended and subject to the re-entry restrictions.

The 2013 rule allowed certain illegal aliens to apply for a provisional waiver that would let them leave the country to receive their green card without being held accountable for the time they lived in the U.S. illegally. The 2013 rule applied to those illegal aliens who had an immediate relative who was a U.S. citizen and the separation caused by the 3- or 10-year bars would cause "extreme hardship" to the relative.
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www.numbersusa.com...

Here is how every year since 2009 the Obama administration has been deporting less and less illegal immigrants who have overstayed their temporary visas.



Obama Admin Deported Less Than One Percent of Visa Overstays
Nearly half a million individuals overstayed visas in 2015, fewer than 2,500 deported

BY: Adam Kredo Follow @Kredo0
May 6, 2016 6:00 am
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The 482,781 figure accounts for aliens who entered the United States on a nonimmigrant visitor visa or through the Visa Waiver Program, which streamlines travel between the United States and certain other countries. The figure encompasses foreign nationals who were found to have remained in the United States after their visas expired or after the 90-day window allowed by the Visa Waiver Program.

The actual number of overstays could be higher. The latest figures published by DHS do not include overstays from other visa categories or overstays by individuals who entered the United States through land ports, such as those along the Mexican border.

Deportations by the Obama administration have decreased steadily since 2009, according to figures codified by the Senate’s Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest and provided to the Washington Free Beacon.

Since 2009, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has expelled 51,704 individuals who overstayed their visas. The total number of those expelled has decreased every fiscal year.

At least 12,538 illegal overstays were deported in fiscal 2009, while 11,259 were removed in 2010, 10,426 in 2011, 6,856 in 2012, 4,240 in 2013, 3,564 in 2014, and 2,456 in 2015, according to the committee.

The drop is being attributed by sources to an Obama administration policy directing DHS and ICE not to pursue visa overstays unless the offender has been convicted of major crimes or terrorism.
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freebeacon.com...


edit on 28-9-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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The drop is being attributed by sources to an Obama administration policy directing DHS and ICE not to pursue visa overstays unless the offender has been convicted of major crimes or terrorism.


Similar to what the Donald would do? Prioritize?
www.politico.com...
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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: Phage

I have a problem with expediting the process for political gains, effectively creating a new democrat voting bloc.


In a previous post, you mentioned expedition of the process and then cited an average period of six months. Ok...well six months from now the election will be history, so how is it that this alleged expedited process is supposed to have any bearing on that? Was your claim of six months just a typo then? Because otherwise, your argument makes zero sense.

I'd also be very curious to know what makes you think that all immigrants in this country would vote Democratic if they were given the legal right to vote in the first place. Do you have some proof of that being anything but your own biased assumption? Are you asserting that you have intimate knowledge of the political leanings of every immigrant currently residing in this country to such a degree that you are qualified to speak on their behalf?

Not every immigrant who resides in this country under a temporary visa does so with the intention of applying for citizenship, so your claim that it is simply part of the process is inaccurate as well. The very fact that your source claims that the Obama administration is having to make an effort to encourage people to become citizens in the first place shows anyone with a shred of basic common sense that what you are saying is not actually true. If all these immigrants with visas felt compelled to become legal citizens, they would not need to be convinced to do it.

You're making some very outlandish claims here and have presented nothing so far that actually substantiates them. Anything can be taken out of context and twisted to fit a personal bias, and that is precisely what you appear to be doing here.


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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 10:07 PM
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Obama amnesty creates loophole for illegal immigrants to vote in elections

Driver’s licenses, social security numbers facilitate improper registration, officials warn

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Thursday, February 12, 2015

President Obama’s temporary deportation amnesty will make it easier for illegal immigrants to improperly register and vote in elections, state elections officials testified to Congress on Thursday, saying that the driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers they will be granted create a major voting loophole.

While stressing that it remains illegal for noncitizens to vote, secretaries of state from Ohio and Kansas said they won’t have the tools to sniff out illegal immigrants who register anyway, ignoring stiff penalties to fill out the registration forms that are easily available at shopping malls, motor vehicle bureaus and in curbside registration drives.

Anyone registering to vote attests that he or she is a citizen, but Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted said mass registration drives often aren’t able to give due attention to that part, and so illegal immigrants will still get through.
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www.washingtontimes.com...



posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What you just pointed out is work permits/work visas. Work visas are not the same thing as applications for citizenship. Your argument right now has nothing to do with the OP, which is claiming that Pres Obama and the DHS are rushing to naturalize immigrants so they can vote in the 2016 presidential election. Quit moving the goalposts and just admit this "conspiracy" is wrong.



posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 10:21 PM
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Even the Mexican government has been involved with the Obama administration to get illegal immigrants join "citizenship clinics" and for such illegals to be able to vote legally against Trump.


Border Sheriff To Illegal Immigration Supporters: Put America First For Once
Rusty Weiss — March 23, 2016

Recent reports indicate that Mexico is in an all-out effort to join the #NeverTrump movement, with official diplomats encouraging illegals in the U.S. to joincitizenship clinics which would allow them to vote and possibly tip the scale of the 2016 elections.

The Washington Post says the clinics are anunprecedented effort that would allow illegal immigrants topresumably (vote) against Donald Trump.

Sheriff Paul Babeu of Arizona’s Pinal County called the effort “troubling” and “concerning,” adding that “it’s gotta stop.”

“Instead of putting illegals and people from foreign countries and other countries’ problems ahead of us,” Babeu added, “We’ve gotta put America first for once.”

Check out the sheriff’s fiery comments below …
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menrec.com...



The above link has a video in which the sheriff explains what has been going on with these "citizenship clinics".


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posted on Sep, 28 2016 @ 10:58 PM
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When did I say six months from now?... This has been happening for a long while now...

If you want to ignore the evidence presented so far, which you seem to be doing, how about reading it from a former justice department lawyer J. Christian Adams?


Former Justice Department lawyer J. Christian Adams explained it particularly well on Judge Jeannine’s show on Saturday.

JUDGE JEANNINE: The White House wants people fully engaged in the Presidential election for 2016. You worked in the Justice Department on voting rights. What is going on in respect to illegals and the possibility of their voting?

ADAMS: The Obama administration is doing everything it can to inject new voters in the 2016 election, Judge. In DHS for example, theyve issued orders to get all nine million green card holders — these are legal permanent residents — converted to citizenship before the 2016 election. Of course, most of them are going to vote one way: you can understand why the Obama administration is doing this. Those are the people who are here legally.

Theyre also affecting the pipeline of people here illegally. The Supreme Court just this week received briefs in a case where the federal government is stopping states like Kansas and Arizona from checking to make sure that people are actually citizens when they register to vote, and the Obama administration justice department, the Election Assistance Commission, which is a federal agency, has tried to block states from making sure that only citizens are registering to vote.

JUDGE JEANNINE: I’m going to stop you right there. You mean if you go to vote and they ask for proof that you’re a citizen, you can say I’m an illegal and the justice department is saying you don’t have a right to ask that question?

ADAMS: That’s exactly right. The Election Assistance Commission produces what’s called a federal registration form. It’s used all over the country in the motor voter law, and Kansas and Arizona asked the federal government to please let us put our state requirements in this form that let people prove they’re citizens, and the Obama/Holder Justice Department fought them every step of the way through the federal district court and the tenth district court of appeal.
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www.vdare.com...

Like I tried explaining in here the Obama administration is using many different loopholes to get votes.

BTW, the majority of these new voters are Mexican, and it is not bias of mine it is a known fact that a majority of Mexicans vote democrat.

I find it ironic that you, alongside some other people, decide to ignore the evidence presented, then you go on to try to claim I must be biased...

www.pewhispanic.org...

The majority of latinos in the U.S. are Mexican, and it is a known fact that a majority of Mexicans vote democrat because of their left leaning views.

Attacking the messenger much?...


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