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Originally posted by masqua
If a Mason is required to believe in God, does Pantheism fall outside the requirements for admission?
I would be interested in the 'why', whichever way the answers go.
Originally posted by masqua
Pantheism is the doctrine that understands God as being all which is manifest in the universe (worms,waters, planets and popsickle sticks).
It is what I believe in.
But this notion, out of necessity, takes personality away from a 'Supreme Being'. Within it's concept, since everything is God (including you and I), there could be no seperate 'Entity'.
If a Mason is required to believe in God, does Pantheism fall outside the requirements for admission?
I would be interested in the 'why', whichever way the answers go.
[edit on 22-1-2005 by masqua]
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Does Pantheism include belief in a creator?
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
even a popsicle stick is a being or atleast at part of a being . whether of the paper variety or the paper they both were once part of a tree.
A popsicle stick is a being, but something that is a popsicle, a flower, a worm, a carburator, a house, etc. etc. is not a "being" because it is not a specific entity.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
"May it not be that God and the Universe are one, and that He exists only in connection with it? If He created it, there was an eternity before it; and before it, said the old philosophy, God was silent, immovable, inaccessible, but did not exist, since existence is action, change, alternating preponderonce of forces?" (Legenda of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, by Albert Pike, 33°, p. 129).
Originally posted by sebatwerk
A popsicle stick is a being, but something that is a popsicle, a flower, a worm, a carburator, a house, etc. etc. is not a "being" because it is not a specific entity. I don't know if I'm right, but it doesn't really make sense to me otherwise...
:lol
Originally posted by masqua
What follows is my theological opinion, based on loose scientific understandings...
Take that popsickle stick and break it down into atoms...in this way it suddenly relates to everything else. For instance, the wood is bound to contain abundant water...as does every other living thing here on earth.
The atoms within that thin wafer are no different than those within a giant Redwood standing on a mountainside, or, for that matter, within me.
In this way we can see that all things are of the same basic substances... elements listed in the table every highschool taught .
And water is present throughout the universe...
The leap is in what atoms are constructed of...delving into quantum physics etc., and the realization that matter really is only energy...and does not truly exist as what we so blindly accept as 'material'.
If that is true, then all which exists is but a 'flame'...no more than a wisp of the ethereal manifesting itself to our dull senses. Once we assertain that our world is a chimerical terrestrial paradise (lol), it is easier to detach oneself and come to the conclusion that it is only a dream.
Praise the 'glue' which holds subatomic particles together... and the force which spins the electron, holding it within it's quick orbit around the nucleus.
I believe that God is the force which 'organizes' the shape of atoms...giving form. God is also the force which gives each particle life...for there is nothing which exists which does not vibrate...like breath upon a violin string.
Protons, Neutrons, Alpha particles etc are the bricks...
Muons, Gluons, Strange Particles, etc., are the clay and sand the bricks are made of...
Beneath the subatomic universe lies the true face of God...energy and the forces which shape it.
Those energies and forces are what bind us to the Greys, Reptillians and whatever life forms may exist in the far reaches of the most distant galaxies. There can be no substance other than that which exists and all of existance is without limit.
Indeed, the ground beneath our feet resembles and is as us.
Hence, God is omnipresent, omniscient and eternal, just like the Bible teaches us.
[edit on 22-1-2005 by masqua]
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by masqua
If a Mason is required to believe in God, does Pantheism fall outside the requirements for admission?
I would be interested in the 'why', whichever way the answers go.
Pantheists are eligible to become Freemasons. The famous German poet and Mason Johannes von Goethe
Originally posted by Nygdan
Goethe was a Mason?!
Hey, wait. Now I know that occasionaly a mason will write up stuff as part of his function in the society, or for a special occasion or whatnot. Is it known if Goethe wrote anything? Is it kept as part of the private archive of that lodge? Seems it would be a shame if it was.
Is there anything in masonry that promotes releasing those sorts of things?
I mean, I understand that Goethe, and anyone else, would know what they are writting for, and might not've intended it for public use, but, yikes, what a loss for humanity on some of that!
Originally posted by Masonic Light
All of Goethe's writings are in the public domain.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Masonic Light
All of Goethe's writings are in the public domain.
Ah, good. A wise decision on the part of his lodge, as its beneficial for everyone. I hope that other lodges behave similarly.