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A simple question on unemployment?

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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 07:51 PM
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Today the government posted great unemployment numbers, seem thing are wonderful right now. Economy's booming according to the democrats and Obama himself. The question is, why does Hillary keep saying if she's elected one of her main goals is to boost the economy and create more jobs? If unemployment is at historically low numbers, like 5%, maybe she could focus on police brutality and race relations. That might win her a few votes!




posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: WUNK22

Unemployment is at 20%.

The 5% figure is the people still collecting unemployment insurance. Once that is done, and you still have no job, then you aren't considered "unemployed" any more.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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No according to the democrats!! Lol!a reply to: DBCowboy



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "unemployed." Here are some issues:


The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was essentially unchanged at 2.0 million in August. These individuals accounted for 26.1 percent of the unemployed.

Both the labor force participation rate, at 62.8 percent, and the employment-population ratio, at 59.7 percent, were unchanged in August. The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) was little changed at 6.1 million in August. These individuals, who would have preferred full-time employment, were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job.

In August, 1.7 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force, about the same as a year earlier. (The data are not seasonally adjusted.) These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. Among the marginally attached, there were 576,000 discouraged workers in August, little different from a year earlier. (The data are not seasonally adjusted.) Discouraged workers are persons not currently looking for work because they believe no jobs are available for them. The remaining 1.1 million persons marginally attached to the labor force in August had not searched for work for reasons such as school attendance or family responsibilities.


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So if you have a bachelor's degree and are working at McDonalds part time, you're not unemployed.
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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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The ShadowStats Alternate Unemployment Rate for August 2016 is 23.0% here which is similar to unemployment figures during great depression of the 1930's. With china able to manufacture everything on cheaper wages it really only leaves US with government and service jobs which explains why US government is living of debt.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 08:10 PM
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why does Hillary keep saying if she's elected one of her main goals is to boost the economy and create more jobs?


Key phrase is more jobs. Kids are graduating high school and college, and entering the jobs market. Women, who have been taking care of their children who are now in school, can go back to work. People are living longer and/or their 401K just tanked! There's always reasons and a need to expand the job market.


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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Exactly... they find a way to fudge every single statistic.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

thanks for pointing that out DBCowboy



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: WUNK22

The official numbers on unemployment are pretty good right now. Problem is, the official numbers don't tell the whole story, there's a lot of various qualifiers on the official numbers that are used to make things look better than they are, remember most of the time it's popular to say things are great while you're in office, and only say they're terrible when you're running to get into office.

The two big things are that the official numbers don't count under employment which is people who are working jobs that are "beneath" them. Basically, people who would have moderate to high paying jobs that are working at McDonalds because no one else is hiring. The other factor is that official unemployment numbers don't actually measure the unemployment rate, they measure the rate of people who recently lost their jobs that can't find a new one. If you're unemployed long term, you drop off and aren't counted.

Hillary mentions creating new jobs (I assume, I don't listen to rhetoric from either candidate), and Trump does the same because they both want to say how things are bad and they can fix it. On top of that, the unemployment numbers have been "managed" to be lower for years now, you can walk down any street in America and tell that in 30 seconds of observation.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: windword
Key phrase is more jobs. Kids are graduating high school and college, and entering the jobs market. Women, who have been taking care of their children who are now in school, can go back to work. People are living longer and/or their 401K just tanked! There's always reasons and a need to expand the job market.


I'm not so sure about that. The amount of work that needs to be done seems to be peaking, if it hasn't already. We've hit the point where we can legitimately start cutting back on hours rather than working more in order to produce everything we want. Perhaps that's a sign that we don't have enough disposable income, or perhaps it's a sign that we've maxed out on content. Either way, I think we would be better off right now by reducing hours worked so that more people have jobs.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 09:01 PM
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You have to consider that the top ten percent of the population, are breeding, and at this point the jobs for the elite which make the big bucks are also dwindling, its ok staying at home with the parents with some pocket money.But at some point a job will be required.The steady high paying ones that will be required will be created by squeezing the money out of the already stressed underclass.The mere fact that prisons are getting privatised, along with all essential infra structure being privatised into blue chip stock, cant go on forever.The end result at some point is societal breakdown,which in these unprecedented times with everything interlinked could be very dicey.What has happened historicly will happen again in the same repeating cycles, untill some form of inclusive democracy is restored.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: WUNK22




why does Hillary keep saying if she's elected one of her main goals is to boost the economy and create more jobs?



Key phrase is more jobs. Kids are graduating high school and college, and entering the jobs market. Women, who have been taking care of their children who are now in school, can go back to work. People are living longer and/or their 401K just tanked! There's always reasons and a need to expand the job market.




Can't swing a dead cat in these parts without hitting a "now hiring" sign, AND an unemployed beggar.

More jobs won't fix this.



posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 03:00 AM
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Best way to fix unemployment is to improve education.


Stop churning out grads with BS social degrees that make of no use except as burger flippers.



posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok


Their will be only so many technicians required to look after the automatic machines.In twenty years, machine tools have lost the skilled operator, they are even trying to get rid of checkout operators at the supermarkets. No amount of education is going to fix this.



posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
Best way to fix unemployment is to improve education.


Education can help, but education isn't a fix all to employment. Society only needs a certain amount of skilled labor, once you go past that point you don't add to the work force, you only make the work force compete against itself.



posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan


The ideal situation for the employers is the total casualisation of labour which we are actually seeing.No hours of work gurranted in the contract, which means only the best workers will be called in to do the work.So they have got the workers competing against themselves in a tawdry way.The ones with the power have dispensed with any social responsibility,in fact they want to profit from the fallout, with regards to privatising,prisons etc.The dumber the people get the more they get exploited.This leads to escape from the system with drugs, which again they profit from in one way or another.Then you have an explosion of frustration violence in its many forms, school shootings, and sense less other things, even the cops get in on the act.This is mainly an Americn thing,because of its pure Capitalist control system, but its a control system, which is spreading, the social chaos is evident. The only question is how long can this system last without violent change.



posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: anonentity
The ideal situation for the employers is the total casualisation of labour which we are actually seeing.No hours of work gurranted in the contract, which means only the best workers will be called in to do the work.So they have got the workers competing against themselves in a tawdry way.The ones with the power have dispensed with any social responsibility,in fact they want to profit from the fallout, with regards to privatising,prisons etc.The dumber the people get the more they get exploited.This leads to escape from the system with drugs, which again they profit from in one way or another.Then you have an explosion of frustration violence in its many forms, school shootings, and sense less other things, even the cops get in on the act.This is mainly an Americn thing,because of its pure Capitalist control system, but its a control system, which is spreading, the social chaos is evident. The only question is how long can this system last without violent change.


Most of the problems you mention are being addressed. They're not solved but they are improving. Lets go through them one at a time.

Only the best getting work - The work week is decreasing, this results in fewer hours for everyone which spreads the work around. Rather than 300 people getting 40 hours/week you're instead seeing 400 people getting 30 hours/week.

Privatizing prisons - States are starting to move away from these, and the feds recently banned them. The private prison industry has peaked and begun to die.

People getting dumber - All standardized tests have revealed the opposite, people are getting smarter. This is because education methods have improved as have the tools we use to educate. Additionally, what was considered skilled labor 20 years ago is considered unskilled labor today. That means we're better figuring out how to do things, and we know more in general.

Escaping with drugs - Drug use is at record lows.

Explosion of violence - Violence is getting more media coverage, but like drugs, violence is also at record lows outside of a handful of places like Chicago.

Capitalist control system - America isn't a purely capitalistic nation. We're pretty far from it actually. However, if you want to see a capitalist nation just look at Singapore, they're the most capitalistic nation on earth. They have a very low crime rate, great education, and high wages. Even they subsidize college and health care though.



posted on Sep, 24 2016 @ 03:19 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

Good high school and vocational skills courses can teach those to be electricians, roofers, plumbers ect

And it can help those with the possibility of setting up there own buisness.




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