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Stop Behaving Like The Peons You Are Being Cast As

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posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 03:00 AM
a reply to: Isurrender73

Conspiracy or not this election proves the system isn't working.
Sorry, it takes more an aberration to convince me of that.

These are the two best America has to offer? How did this happen?

1) No.
2) See below.


Unenlightened self interest...

Not too cynical, am I? Doesn't my first answer make up for it?

edit on 9/23/2016 by Phage because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 04:36 AM
a reply to: Phage

Maybe my take on it is a bit more extreme. I haven't liked my choices or voted for president for the last 20 years. I haven't found that "positive" that you seem to have found.

The last president I liked was one of our worst ever. I wanted to believe with Reagan the rich people would create more middle class jobs with tax breaks, it just never materialized. But he was the last one I believe was naive enough to believe.

IMO since Reagan we have been presented repeatedly with Narcissistic Sophists on both sides. It seems they are all pathological liars as well.

My conspiracy side tells me this about why our choices are the way they are.

Narcissistic Sophists are the easiest minds to control. They think they know everything and are just smart enough to convince the audience. Of course they only know what thy were told because they aren't actually smart enough to have a clue.

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posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 08:41 AM
a reply to: smurfy

Nothing can be done about it. Not immediately. And the problems are so very wide spread.

I've just accepted that I am adrift on a sea of idiots, being taken wherever the currents of mendacious whimsy take me. Because in a democracy (which we seem to have become) individuals must succumb to the desires of the mob.

posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 08:50 AM
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Its not that your nation was something else, and then became a democracy. Your nation has a democratic voting system, allegedly. That is all. Any nation that has elections where a person is free to vote according to whom they believe is best for the job, without a gun to their head, is a nation which can be considered democratic ALONGSIDE whatever else it may be.

With regard to the rest of your post though, you are absolutely spot on.

posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 11:46 AM
a reply to: TrueBrit

Our nation is/was a constitutional republic. The idea being that in a democracy, the mob rules. In a constitutional republic, the rule of law rules.

Think of it as a check/balance against the people.

posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 12:37 PM
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That's beautiful and all, but that would not work at all without a little democracy to choose the leadership. No matter how you cut it, you cannot have any of the governments your country has had since its independence, without involving democracy at some point.

posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 01:10 PM
a reply to: TrueBrit

Democratic concepts? Sure.

The inherent weakness of a democracy is mob rule. Thus, the constitutional republic designed to check the mob with rule of law and individual rights.

I think the hair has been well split now.

posted on Sep, 24 2016 @ 04:10 PM
a reply to: TrueBrit

It is literally as if people are saying "I know this shell game only works if I believe in it, but damn if the directing isn't top notch". It's an absolute bloody disgrace!

I feel you. It's akin to watching a movie or a play: one has to immerse themselves in the illusion and pretend it's real in order to partake in it despite knowing deep down it's not real at all. There are also many who actually do believe they still have a choice - they falsely believe that *true* democracy and republic ideologies as it was originally intended actually exist within the structure of government and society.

This demographic of people who buy into the theatre of politics tend to be the very people who make others wealthy in this consumer orientated society. Their minds (herd instinct) is wired for it.

He felt this manipulation was necessary in society, which he regarded as irrational and dangerous as a result of the "herd instinct" that Trotter had described.

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.

...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized.

Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.

As a Canadian who has never voted and who can only name three politicians off the top of my head: your words below resonate deeply.

The information is out there, it is not new, the game has been known for so long now, especially in the rarefied environs of websites like this, that to see anyone being caught up in the tumult having been immersed in this field for any length of time, says some very concerning things about how well some people connect information they have learned, to the world around them, and what that information means to them.

The truth is difficult to accept for some when the lies is all they want to here. Wilful ignorance. Your thoughts expressed above reminded me of Aldous Huxley's insight:

edit on 24-9-2016 by Involutionist because: Grammar and punctuation SUCKS!

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 01:33 AM
a reply to: TrueBrit

It will take maybe 5 or 10 years more for this to sink in I think. That's the pessimist in me speaking.

And then, do what? Vote? When the whole system that has been built upon this agenda is built into the very foundations of our society. Everything is backwards and wrong, it's like that quote:

“Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom.”

The only solution now is a fall and a destruction, the cyclical nature of time demands it at this point in our history. It is all but a clockwork consequence of the laws of our universe. The Kali Yuga will come to a calamitous end, widespread death and destruction will follow, as the etheric tide influences the planetary dimensional vibration. A real end times scenario can not be talked of in strictly mundane physical terms, it accompanies an external event.. an externalisation of the hierarchy. Both of them.. The great revealing.

These are the dynamics of the esoteric end times scenario. Humanity didn't listen to the warnings and now judgement day is here. Demons will haunt the ruins of civilisation and reality itself will split asunder. So sayeth the dark Valkyrie, her crush is more creepy than anything else. She's like some edgy goth girl, very immature.

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 01:38 AM
Well said. It is like someone has taken and replaced ATS members. They should be fighting againstbothcandidates seeing they are awful choices but it is like they have just accepted it.
To make it even worse there are no policy discussion's just mudslinging and name calling.
I think TV has made this election into a farce.

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 01:39 AM
a reply to: TheKnightofDoom
How would one fightagainstbothcanidates?

Not flippant. Cuz I actually wan to know.

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posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 02:55 AM
a reply to: TrueBrit

Sure there may be some on here that still believe that one candidate or the other will actually make a difference, but the vast majority are well aware that the system is broken. I don't think it's a case of not knowing what the real problem is, but what can be done to fix it. Like it or not, without a significant number of like-minded individuals, one is in no position to deny both of the main candidates of victory. Whether a vote is cast or not, the result will be the same. The best one can do is come to terms with the situation we are in, and accept that some things are out of our control, identify them and start focussing more on the things one can control.

We can talk about it all we want. We can point out that the system is broken. We can expose the candidates as frauds. We can even offer alternative solutions to the problems presented. However, whilst we are standing on our own, none of these actions will bring about the change we desire.

There may be a few rare instances, but generally, the system will not change without a revolution and significant bloodshed. Revolution won't occur without mass public dissent. None of this will happen without a whole lot more suffering and misery.

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 02:00 PM
a reply to: TrueBrit

Ultimately your take on the situation is the most dullard, and casts yourself in the hilarious role of actually believing in the systems that we use have ever offered a solution.

Peons are the ones who actually believe non partisan exists....

One of the reasons this debate has been so hotly contested, is that we must first destroy those who see change as a scary thing, this is easily done, this election by far the most interesting in history.

Once the election is done, much more will come to play in this world and beyond, "How To Proceed".

NONE of the things you think about doing will be involved in changing a dam thing.

Such simple minded thinking from the lot of you, that is somehow even worse than a Hillary supporter, is mind blowing indeed, and we will soon happily be rid of it, in favor of something that is actually, ACTIONABLE.

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 02:28 PM
a reply to: ParasuvO

Then do enlighten those of us still toiling in the darkness of our ignorance.

What is the solution, oh wisest one?

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 02:32 PM
Great thread OP

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 02:50 PM
Has a lot not happened since 1.5 years ago?

What if opinions have changed on the world. Most people likely had no issue with immigration or protecting western culture before the immigration crisis.

We have watched the MSM destroy its credibility as news.

If anything conflicts with the US media narrative in Syria and someone reports on it they are now considered a putin lover and kremlin sympathizer on ATS.

Even conspiracies are now politicized, They are hitting to close to home for people

Also 9/11 was a long time ago now and any Alien/ufo thread gets debunked.

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 03:23 PM
a reply to: TrueBrit

I think in the case of this election, its not a question of liking candidate A, its that you so dislike candidate B you will vote for A in protest. And that is not at all a comforting feeling for anyone who is pondering voting. To me, if I vote at all, and I am not sure I will because frankly I dont see much merit in either of them, its down to who is less likely to get us into a major war. The world is currently treading some very dangerous waters, and my God, if there was EVER a time we needed sound leadership, this is it, but in this case it seems you just have to cross your fingers and vote for the person most likely to get us through the next 4 years without pushing the button. And its terrible that its down to that, there are so many important domestic issues that need to be addressed, but to me if one of them drags us into a war that could escalate into something catastrophic, I have to put those issues on the back burner and make the safest bet I can.

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 04:29 PM
I agree that we have very bad choices but in reality we only have 2. At the end of the day people are either voting for the one that best represents their beliefs or voting against the one that opposes their beliefs! Not choosing one because they both are less then is still a vote in my mind.

I believe in less govt, less immigration, no common core, pro 2nd amendment, no to tpp or tpa or other globalist trade agreements like NAFTA so for me Trump is the only option! Do I like his style? no! Do I like his tact? no.

All that being said I also value honesty. Hillary is a liar and has been caught in many lies about very important things!

So I get where you are coming from but for me this election is a no brainer!

posted on Sep, 25 2016 @ 05:15 PM
a reply to: ParasuvO

You seem to be labouring under a false impression here.

First of all, that I have not considered all the angles, at length, and second that action of any kind, is better than what has been happening of late.

I call poppycock. There has been a great deal of action, there has been so much action that the head would spin when faced with the weight of it. However, most of that action has been going on behind the scenes, and none of it, and I mean not a single polished turd amongst the various actions that have been going on in the background, has been good for the people of the United States.

The deals done, the drones launched, the surviellence culture, the oppression of people under the guise of freedom...these things are all actions, undertaken by people who favour action, any action, over waiting until such time as the RIGHT actions can be taken. And all of those actions have a couple of things in common. First, they are negative in the long term for everyone and in the short term for a few. Second, they go against the fundamental principles upon which your nations foundations are based.

posted on Sep, 26 2016 @ 01:32 AM

originally posted by: DeReK DaRkLy
I understand your feelings, however this seems to only point to problems rather than offer solutions.
I realize the general solution is to "think for oneself", but what is one to actually think?

What model of government is best?
Who should lead?
Who can anyone actually trust?
Is money a solution or a problem?

If the problem is people, then the solution probably isn't going to be people.
(Some people don't think human nature exists.. I say we're all basically schizophrenic to some degree.)

We are all looking for answers to the human condition, unfortunately we are all chronically human (flawed) until this terminal disease of desire finally runs its course.

1. A government by the consent of the people. Consent should be achieved by individual signed and written contracts with each citizen (not slave). Only when someone has negotiating power and the option to write the contract them self can we really know we are not slaves and are voluntary participants in the system. If major corporations can manage customized signed contracts with negotiations with millions of employees, so to can governments.

2. People are basing what they want from government on fear. Instead of basing what our government is like on fear, it should be based on evidence and on what works in real life. For example, Hong Kong is a nearly capitalist place and it also has a low infant mortality rate, suggesting the poor there are well off enough, while there is a large and growing middle class. If Hong Kong shows among the highest economic success including with the poor with a 10% government spending as percent of GDP, then people should take notice and adapt their policies if they also want economic success. And we see see failure with socialism in Venezuela. So, lets go with what really works based on studies, evidence, and reasoning just as much as our instincts and emotions. Both have their place but right now its all emotion.

3. The non-aggression principle should be adapted. Its morally wrong to tell people what substances they can put in their bodies. Its morally wrong to tell people what plants they can and can't grow in their garden. Its morally wrong to tell someone what kind of house they have to build on their own property. Its morally wrong to spend other people money without their written consent as already mentioned in point #1.

I think all of these things can be re-stated as one simple concept. Instead of basing our society on fear and distrust, we should base it on love and people's ability to chose good. Problem solved. Yes, not all people will chose to behave well, but actually most people can learn to do treat each other according to the golden rule, to live and let live.

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