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Chinese Claim New Technology (Based on Quantum Entanglement) Renders Stealth Useless

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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 11:08 AM
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Another reason slow and "invisible" is becoming a thing of the past. I'm sure Lockheed will add this to their protest list for why the B-21 should be canned.

www.scmp.com...



China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC), one of the “Top 10” military industry groups controlled directly by the central government, said on Sunday that the new radar system’s entangled photons had detected targets 100km away in a recent field test.

That’s five times the “potential range” of a laboratory prototype jointly developed by researchers from Canada, Germany, Britain and the United States last year.

America’s Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency has reportedly funded similar research and military suppliers such as Lockheed Martin are also developing quantum radar systems for combat purposes, according to media reports, but the progress of those military projects remains unknown.


Theres a reason speed has always been the deadly means to most all offensive items. Fast is just hard to get.

Im willing to bet the US already has radar far more advanced than even this and itself knows how to potentially get around or manipulate most things, but again, wouldnt it be easier to just hit the gas instead of spending untold billions on this stealth thing?
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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 11:11 AM
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I would think that military intelligence would be working more on being able to intercept a high speed trajectory than stealth. At certain speeds an object can only maneuver so much, so why not build the tech to be able to match the maneuver and intercept?



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 11:14 AM
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So if china had a real effective way to defeat stealth tech, why would they tell anybody?
Wouldn't they want us to continue building planes they can now beat?



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: BigTrain

you can bet whatever you like but how would you verify & collect? Its always funny reading about one upmanship between USA / China. I guess the more important question is how much is wasted on these toys And/Or does it provide real jobs for the local economy?



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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Decoherence is too big of a problem to overcome for this (what is described in the article) to work. Shooting quantum entangled photons into the air and comparing their states upon return just will not work. And if it does return, how can they distinguish a quantum radar echo from a real source? They cannot even do that now with regular radar. This is akin to a "vapor ware" announcement.

Besides, the real "stealth" evades ALL of the EM spectrum so the quantum entangled photons would never bounce off the target to begin with. Anybody ever see a black triangle? Not when it is black and solid looking but when it is in flight and either shimmering or completely see through? And that is what I am talking about. No photons bouncing off an object to see there! Quantum radar will not help you there China, sorry!

I would believe that Chinese scientists created a quantum computer before this "news".



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: BigTrain

I guess for the moment it's a big deal...when drones become absurdly lethal with much smaller payloads stealth will mean very little..

Drones are the the future like it or not...It will be interesting to see who battles are won in the future...if one tank is left standing in a skirmish is that country the victor..when loss of life is taken out of war what does it matter at that point..would we care if two Russian drones destroyed two United States drones? I'm rambling...



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: BigTrain

Oh good thing we patented it 11 years ago...US 7375802



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 01:54 PM
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They can detect something all of 60 miles from the antenna. A JASSM has a 230 mile range.

It never ceases to amaze me how many times stealth has been rendered useless in the last 10 years. And yet everyone is building stealthy aircraft.

The Air Force is not going to spend multiple years of their entire budget building mach 4+ aircraft. They're expensive as hell to build, which is why no one has built fleets of ultra high speed aircraft.

The only protest over the B-21 was over the contract award. It's done and it's being built.


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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: BigTrain

Could this have anything to do with the missing plane ?
www.express.co.uk...



Malaysian plane: 20 passengers worked for ELECTRONIC WARFARE and MILITARY RADAR firm

A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.

www.express.co.uk...
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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

No. The company works on ways to block radar, not improve its detection.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Char-Lee

No. The company works on ways to block radar, not improve its detection.


Some secret tech may have been involved. Detecting and blocking are certainly related areas.




Dark_Spectre writes: "We have the American IBM Technical Storage Executive for Malaysia, a man working in mass storage aggregation for the company implicated by the Snowden papers for providing their services to assist the National Security Agency in surveilling the Chinese. And now this bunch of US chip guys working for a global leader in embedded processing solutions (embedded smart phone tech and defence contracting) all together… on a plane… and disappeared. Coincidence?"

The Reddit sleuth suggests that the apparent disappearance of flight MH370 may actually have been the result of an audacious attempt by China to capture a group of private contractors who helped the NSA to conduct spy operations against them.

www.theweek.co.uk...
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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

They are, but they're also done differently. They work on ways to block detection. They don't have anything to do with quantum technology.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 05:03 PM
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Back in the 80's the US flew a few stealth fighters over the UK and thought they had not been detected but when they informed the UK later they were surprised to be told of there own flight path and had to learn how the UK had detected them, these earlier stealth fighters as you know were far from perfect but to create a quantum entanglement radar would suggest that China have a quantum computer so are they actually capable of this or is this merely a case of posturing based on hypothetical theory after the south Korean Fly By which was intended to warn NK there lap dog out of further nuclear escalation.

Stealth is not undetectable though, just harder to detect on older and less advanced radar system's and it is also still an evolving technology so the US has probably several other type's of stealth at it's disposal and/or in active development.

Remember the Stealth you saw on the old F117 and the later stealth models' is actually now old technology and they will not let you see there latest composit's which are probably only used on unmanned stealth drone's that the public have not yet seen officially unveiled but which are undoubtedly available to the pentagon.

Even back in the 90's we over here in Lancashire england had a UFO photograph in a local paper that was definitely a silver colored drone being test flown at RAF warton, it was either based on or on loan from the US R&D.
This was before the Taranis was unveiled and looked quite similar to the publicity model but not the same as it so was either another test bed or even a separate project to the Teranis (which is the UK's stealth drone, apparently we have a lot of them, far more than manned air craft but that is not public).
en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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Contrary to popular opinion, speed isn't the be all, end all either. By the 1980s, the SR-71 was intercepted at least twice, one of which involved no less than six aircraft. Either time would have almost guaranteed a shoot down if they had fired. Speed makes things difficult, just like stealth does. Just like stealth, sooner or later any adversary will come up with a counter.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 06:56 PM
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Quantum mechanics are not an area of study for me LOL so I cannot make an informed comment about it but...

As mentioned in the thread about the Russian development of a jamming system that could shut down the Aegis system:

If you developed a system of strategic importance that it essentially negates part of the US's nuclear triad (The B-2) and turns its fifth generation fighters into Gen 4.5's why would you let anybody know?

This is basically vaporware until its proven IMHO.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: Char-Lee

Some secret tech may have been involved. Detecting and blocking are certainly related areas.



If you understand Freescale, the people on the plane, their patents, and military radar, you'd see that there isn't a valid conclusion to draw to.

Freescale makes jelly bean commodity parts. Not earth shattering new tech. No matter how much s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g the journos used.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 08:09 PM
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Don't put it past the Chinese.

Hardly the people to underestimate and I wouldn't be surprised if they became the world super power within the near future.



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: BigTrain

Fascinating, if true, but I want to see proof before just taking their word for it.

Still, they did have that sub sneak into a major naval exercise, undetected till it surfaced some years back, so who knows?



posted on Sep, 22 2016 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: BigTrain

We have scram jet bombers or are developing them

China can detect craters.



posted on Sep, 23 2016 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

haha yes that old picture!

That was the first of a few models flown from Warton (later flown from less public locations) it wasn't tech borrowed from anyone, home grown infact and culminated in the bigger and much nastier brother of the little Taranis demonstrator and I remember some very very terse exchanges from the US visitors to the MoD after the first gulf war, shouting behind closed doors about sharing technology that made even us dumb grunts laugh at the irony considering what we'd seen the US using back then.

"Tell your closest allies everything, except about your sharpest sword"

There are multiple ways of detecting stealth, no current platforms have true multiband stealth (one US black platform is very close though but is apparently a little twitchy). and it will be an ongoing battle as always, hide and seek much like ballistic missile subs



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