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originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: windword
Never said they didnt. But The body cams will prove they were correct so when they show him with a gun ill be waiting for a apology.
I am afraid the body cams seem inconclusive - the family have seem them.
originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: Vasa Croe
How many times and in how many different ways do people need to be told that a person's record doesn't matter if the officers have no idea who they are at the time of engagement? It's specious and, frankly, agenda driven to push that issue. IMHO.
This guy was on borrowed time with his background. It was either death by police, gang or jail.
FFS. You sound like that lady forced to resign yesterday from the Trump campaign. You know, "if you're black and not successful in the last 50 years..."
I hope the day never comes when you are forced to deal with an unexpected confrontation with LEO. If so, good luck with that.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: yuppa
Well, I'll believe it when I see them, because right now the evidence seems to show the weapon being placed at the scene.
originally posted by: SRPrime
Dude -- it doesn't matter what the "victim" has done prior. I don't care if this guy was a drug dealer/gangbanger, what ever. We have court and due process.
Basically what I'm saying is, if a police officer shoots someone, the legality of him shooting that person, the right/wrong can only rest in THAT incident. You can't say, well -- the cop didn't do anything wrong, this guy had a rap sheet. The guy having a record doesn't absolve police of wrong doing.
There is procedure and process -- and it doesn't matter if the victim is a criminal, the police still have to operate on procedure and practice. More people die to police than to anyone else, anywhere else in the country, other than Chicago. So much so, that it's not probable cause anymore for black men to flee police in Massachusetts.
I don't know the familiars with this particular case, but I do know that the premise you laid out in the OP is illogical -- you basically said it's OK for the police to break the law because the guy they shot was a criminal, but in the same breath, said it's wrong for citizens to protest a police officer breaking the law to shoot a criminal because they are just becoming criminals themselves -- so does the cop who shot him... like really?
So sick of people who think any criminal deserves death. If you broke the law, it's not okay for police to shoot you in the face -- it's just not. The only time it's okay to be shot to death is if you're actively threatening the lives of people around you at the moment the police action happens. You don't warrant a death sentence for running from police. You don't warrant a death sentence for pulling up your pants. You don't warrant a death sentence when you're a child with a known BB gun. You don't warrant a death sentence for being mentally disabled or deaf. You don't warrant a death sentence for not doing what you're told.
You warrant a death sentence if you hold other lives in jeopardy. That's the only time it's acceptable. That's what the protest is about. Too many people end up dead for nothing. Just take the recent example; A cop got fired because he correctly identified that a man was attempting to commit suicide by cop. He was fired for not shooting the guy, even though he did the RIGHT thing. They said he put the other officers in danger, they put HIM in danger -- he knew what the situation was, the other cops weren't there -- they showed up and unloaded, so they put his life at risk by escalating a situation and discharging rounds -- at a target that had no rounds to fire back who had flat out told the responding officer he was basically committing suicide by cop. The cops want cops to kill everyone they can, or they wouldn't be firing cops who didn't kill people who they didn't have to.
That's what the riot is about. It's about police actions being devoid of protection. Police are supposed to protect us, not anymore, now they are to put us down when we get out of line. They are execution squads now. It's worse than that even -- if you could believe that. Innocent people are getting arrested every day on 100% made up never happened charges on a regular -- not even in major cities, but small suburbs, pretty much everywhere in the country.
I was arrested for DUI/DUI Hit and Run/DUI property damage, that's 3 charges. I passed the sobriety test, was never asked to blow/give urine/give blood, and there was no accident, and no property damage. They took my license on the spot for a year because the police claimed I refused sobriety tests. In my police report [which was two pages] page 1 had the results of the sobriety test, and page two said they never took place.
I had to pay nearly 15 grand because a cop needed to hit his quota and made up bull# and then suppressed video evidence that exonerated me. This is the world we live in right now -- and if you don't have a problem with the police -- you don't get out much or drive a car that's worth more than 50k.
Did you know that in the united states of america -- a police officer only has to SAY you refused a breath test and you automatically get a 1 year suspension 7 days from your stop. It's an easy arrest -- they can make up the probable cause by shutting off their dash cam and saying you swerved over a line or ran a traffic control device.
Would you trust ANYBODY to NOT use this obscene power against people they don't like? There is no getting it back, there is no appeal for this on the street adjudication. The cop is literally your judge, so you better hope you make a good impression.
originally posted by: loveguy
stop hiring people that are too scared to uphold justice for one and all.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Vasa Croe
Now show me a squeeky clean black man actually reading a book, being shot by police and I may change my opinion. This guy was neither clean, nor reading a book....he was a career criminal in and out of jail numerous times.
By that logic just round up all potential criminals and execute them before they commit any more 'petty' crimes.
All you're doing is blaming the victim, when the real crime committed here was murder.
CNN quoted a source close to the investigation as saying that a loaded gun had been recovered at the scene of the crime and that fingerprints, DNA and blood on it matched Scott's.