In some peoples practice of Zen/Chan or accidental Zen/Chan as it can occur in an instant to anyone anywhere... where an answer to something occurs
right out of the blue and it's ah ha... but the universe tells you the answer.
Like walking around thinking repeatedly what is the sound of one hand clapping? And a door or cabinet slams shut and boom there it is the sound of
your mental one hand and the universes hand slapping against it to make a sound.
Ok so since this post title said Zen Master... what occurs after all of these many varied objects or materials of "matter" start talking as if they
do "matter" well energy and form, form and formlessness.
Of course, those persons that are Zen master but unaware of it, get called schizophrenics... I never heard any voices in my life unless it was a TV,
Radio, or someone talking. Of course with many people this is optional even when aware of such things to tune them out.
Of course at some point these things can seem to be torturous to the untamed mind, well even the mind that is tamed... it is the whole premise of the
Surangama sutta: Surangama PDF
For when someone reaches that point.
Of course, in equanimity we can observe all of these very many things not inside of oneself we can interact as in mental communication to all of these
things; it is illustrated as the inflows and outflows, at one point the Buddha calls them hungry ghosts and that the Arhats assembled were pitiful
fools for even heeding them.
The reason being is that once ones own attachment inside has ended all of that attachment flows out back the way it came and can no longer find a
voice... so it tries to flow back into where that energy once dwelling in ones house... and now being the host? You have cleaned it inside
thoroughly... but still dwelling in the house they think they are entitled to come back in... having made themselves so comfortable there.
Those are simply thought-forms some try to call them hungry ghosts demons or whatever... but what once gave them life or energy before this freedom?
Oneself giving them a nice cozy abode... so of course once you clean that house then they are going to be hungry to go back into it, since "you"
have escaped this death being the welcome guest and they have not being greedy for the dwelling and hateful because they are ignorantly still attached
to what is not theirs.
But what they have not realized? Is that the self echoing in them is not oneself in that ego attachment.
So what should one do the very same practice of non attachment that one once found inside to this new experience one has now out flowed back to the
outside. Then what occurs? The house one has built is truly shattered and one dwells in equanimity with peace and no worries to the world having thus
gone... having thus returned as a being in equanimity having put off nirvana as an awakened being one can only simply point to those wishing to know
the way after one has thus gone this can be skillful or unskillful in ones own personal practice no different than previously... it's just one has
left the house to let the robbers take over and then one returns to boot them out but the house has not yet been demolished so there is no arguing
over the residence.
The Surangama sutta is a very difficult read, and this is why I have made this thread and have presented it here, and hope I have added some clarity
to the pointing of what that phenomena is when it arises and passes in ones objective experience... it can lead to more clinging of the qualities and
attributes of being of oneself by those not oneself... so one inch past your nose where do you scratch?