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Clinton says she can maybe 'talk to white people' about police shootings.

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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Someone mentioned that this issue is between Blacks and cops.

It's not. That's the point. These tensions affect all of us, every day.

Mrs. Clinton very clearly said that we all need to work together to solve these issues; she's absolutely right.


Her version of working together is having a talk with white people - her words.




posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Nope. She stated what she would "say to White people" in her comments.

Aspire to better things. Work together to solve issues. Don't let superficial differences divide us.

Inspiring for anyone not blinded by partisan beliefs.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth
Firstly, black cops also shoot black suspects.
Secondly, the vast majority of shootings by the police are justified.
Thirdly, she is ignoring the issue of cops doing a very dangerous job and being shot themselves.
Finally, she is ignoring the fact that shootings of black people are mainly within that community, not by police.

You forgot the one where pointing out a bunch of different problems doesn't automatically mean the problem being discussed isn't credible.


Perhaps you could explain how 'speaking with white people' is going to help solve any of the problems.

Perhaps you could let me know how Hillary (or Trump for that matter) is solving problems on the campaign trail while not currently elected President.


Your comment makes no sense. Everyone except you realizes what the candidates are proposing or saying is based on the hypothetical they where in a position to do anything! That all being said no matter what Hillary says she has a track record of flip flopping so it's irrelevant!



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Is there something wrong with talking to White people???


It seems to me that if the issue here is between cops and blacks, then she ought to be talking to cops.


Indeed, 25% of whom are not white.
Just today a black officer shot and killed a black civilian. Ths is not a white issue at all. It's a cop/community issue.

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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Nope. She stated what she would "say to White people" in her comments.

Aspire to better things. Work together to solve issues. Don't let superficial differences divide us.

Inspiring for anyone not blinded by partisan beliefs.


But shouldn't we all do that? Why is that something only one demographic has to be told?



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Nope. She stated what she would "say to White people" in her comments.

Aspire to better things. Work together to solve issues. Don't let superficial differences divide us.

Inspiring for anyone not blinded by partisan beliefs.


But shouldn't we all do that? Why is that something only one demographic has to be told?


That question frames the last 10 pages of deflection and gets us back to the actual thread topic. Thank you.
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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:50 PM
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Still remember that interview of hers, when a black reporter asks what does she always carries with her , and she replies, hot sauce.....



www.youtube.com...


What??? Pander me baby, pander me mooooore!



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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:51 PM
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The issue is unarmed or subdued Black citizens being shot down by law enforcement.

It's more than a bit racially divisive to imply that its okay if the shooter is also Black.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

The issue is unarmed or subdued Black citizens being shot down by law enforcement.

It's more than a bit racially divisive to imply that its okay if the shooter is also Black.





What?
A black cop shot a black civilian today. That is a fact. It had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the relationship the police have with the community and their current shoot to kill policies.

Maybe the white people Clinton talks with will pass it on to the black officer.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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OP wants us to believe that the entirety of Clinton's statement on Steve Harvey is racially motivated.

As we see here, every effort to bring in the rest of Clinton's comments made at the same time are the objects of attempted spin.

Let's all ask ourselves if we can end racial divisions by pointing out racial divisions. Does that make sense?

Or does it make sense that a thread focusing on race and racial differences has a very clear goal in mind.

Mrs. Clinton was clear in what she said in her remarks; let's all work together to end racial divisions and tensions regarding law enforcement.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

The issue is unarmed or subdued Black citizens being shot down by law enforcement.

It's more than a bit racially divisive to imply that its okay if the shooter is also Black.





What?
A black cop shot a black civilian today. That is a fact. It had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the relationship the police have with the community and their current shoot to kill policies.

Maybe the white people Clinton talks with will pass it on to the black officer.


Right.

You think it makes a difference if the shooter is Black.

It doesn't. Again you missed the point which is (off-topic) another Black person was killed by police today in questionable circumstances. You want the race of the LEO to be important; that speaks volumes about your intent here.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
OP wants us to believe that the entirety of Clinton's statement on Steve Harvey is racially motivated.

As we see here, every effort to bring in the rest of Clinton's comments made at the same time are the objects of attempted spin.

Let's all ask ourselves if we can end racial divisions by pointing out racial divisions. Does that make sense?

Or does it make sense that a thread focusing on race and racial differences has a very clear goal in mind.

Mrs. Clinton was clear in what she said in her remarks; let's all work together to end racial divisions and tensions regarding law enforcement.


Perhaps if Clinton had not put her foot in her mouth and singled out white people, there would be no divide to talk about.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

The issue is unarmed or subdued Black citizens being shot down by law enforcement.

It's more than a bit racially divisive to imply that its okay if the shooter is also Black.





OK, so that's the issue and it sounds like one between blacks and law enforcement to me, not one between blacks and whites. So why does she need to talk to white about it again?

She is the one who singled out white people.

White people are not law enforcement just like we aren't black people.

You just got done agreeing that this is a problem between law enforcement (no ethnicity) and the black community. Those are the two groups that need to get together and work out their issues. Whites need only be involved to the extent that there are whites in the police force.
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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

The issue is unarmed or subdued Black citizens being shot down by law enforcement.

It's more than a bit racially divisive to imply that its okay if the shooter is also Black.





What?
A black cop shot a black civilian today. That is a fact. It had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the relationship the police have with the community and their current shoot to kill policies.

Maybe the white people Clinton talks with will pass it on to the black officer.


Right.

You think it makes a difference if the shooter is Black.

It doesn't. Again you missed the point which is (off-topic) another Black person was killed by police today in questionable circumstances. You want the race of the LEO to be important; that speaks volumes about your intent here.


Pretty poor effort.
The whole point is that the race of the police officer is NOT important, which is what I said, quote "It had nothing to do with race".
Therefore singling out white people to talk with is divisive, ignorant and racist.
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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

The issue is unarmed or subdued Black citizens being shot down by law enforcement.

It's more than a bit racially divisive to imply that its okay if the shooter is also Black.





What?
A black cop shot a black civilian today. That is a fact. It had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the relationship the police have with the community and their current shoot to kill policies.

Maybe the white people Clinton talks with will pass it on to the black officer.


Right.

You think it makes a difference if the shooter is Black.

It doesn't. Again you missed the point which is (off-topic) another Black person was killed by police today in questionable circumstances. You want the race of the LEO to be important; that speaks volumes about your intent here.


Pretty poor effort.
The whole point is that the race of the police officer is NOT important, which is what I said, quote "It had nothing to do with race".
Therefore singling out white people to talk with is divisive, ignorant and racist.


So you make a blatantly racist comment about another police shooting (by implying that it's better somehow that a Black officer may have shot another unarmed man) and you're still impotently trying to attach that to your racially divisive spin attempt on what Clinton obviously said, i.e., we all need to work together to end these issues???

Friend, I don't think you need to be critiquing anyone else's efforts ... you just stuck your foot in your mouth and out the back of your head, LOL.

I'm going to let you rest awhile before you have permanent damage from The Triggering.


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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66

The issue is unarmed or subdued Black citizens being shot down by law enforcement.

It's more than a bit racially divisive to imply that its okay if the shooter is also Black.





What?
A black cop shot a black civilian today. That is a fact. It had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the relationship the police have with the community and their current shoot to kill policies.

Maybe the white people Clinton talks with will pass it on to the black officer.


Right.

You think it makes a difference if the shooter is Black.

It doesn't. Again you missed the point which is (off-topic) another Black person was killed by police today in questionable circumstances. You want the race of the LEO to be important; that speaks volumes about your intent here.


Pretty poor effort.
The whole point is that the race of the police officer is NOT important, which is what I said, quote "It had nothing to do with race".
Therefore singling out white people to talk with is divisive, ignorant and racist.


So you bring up a racist comment about another police shooting (by implying that it's better somehow that a Black officer may have shot another unarmed man) and you're still impotently trying to attach that to your racially divisive spin attempt on what Clinton obviously said, i.e., we all need to work together to end these issues???

Friend, I don't think you need to be critiquing anyone else's efforts ... you just stuck your foot in your mouth and out the back of your head, LOL.

I'm going to let you rest awhile before you have permanent damage from The Triggering.



The tactic to pretend something that was said that clearly wasn't is also obvious these days. Doesn't work. It just shows you have no argument to dig yourself out of the mess of a position you got yourself into.
Your posts are becoming more desperate (resorting to 'triggering' wind ups now
).

Now what was said is by Clinton in that she is going to speak with white people when, in fact, this is a police and community issue. Now that is a foot in mouth moment


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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

But I thought Trump was the only racist here. /s

This is such a misstep - hasn't the body double been briefed on how to use fairness and diplomacy to diffuse delicate situations? Or maybe she just had another brain fart.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I've explained much of it earlier in this thread but I need to call something out.

Racial tension regarding law enforcement? By who? Black people? Who are these "black" people, I seem to have run into many black people with very different opinions on this issue. Many that think BLM is absurd, crazy and making things worse. A lot of people with black skin are getting frustrated and pissed by these riots for what many of them are calling criminals that result in destroying their own neighborhoods. Many I've talked to are frustrated because some thing these people being propped up actually are criminals and that their neighborhoods don't have enough of a police presence. Many are frustrated by criminals running rampant in their neighborhood doing whatever the # they want. What about these black people or do they not count cause they don't fall under the BLM narrative?

Yes there is some legitimacy here to what BLM has to say, it does happen, no doubt. Hell I've known white people scared of police, black people that respect the police, white people that hate the police, black that want to be police. This white and black # is a bunch of nonsense. Actually, I think to a degree we're all scared of the police. Hard to know the caliber of officer you're dealing with. There's always that chance things go wrong. And corruption is rampant.

There is no "white" people and "black" people, everyone who insists on it is adding to the problem. I'm never going to support this race nonsense. Yes "racism" exists, but it's already illegal in law enforcement. The reason it happens is it's allowed for along with many other crimes by police officers, judges, political elite business, elite banking elite, it's all symptoms of the same problem. You will never fix it by making it a racial issue it's a symptom at best of a greater disease. You will never fix anything resulted to race by making it a race issue. That's the problem, but so many will never get that. It's a human rights issues period, end of story. We need to stop making it about crimes against black people, and turn it into crimes against people with black skin. It sounds like a minor quibble but it's not. One dehumanized people of black skin, puts them off in this nice little box, us and them, the other, however, recognizes it as simply a shallow physical trait unfairly targeted by ignorant people and they're simply people no different from anyone else. We need to start talking about these as human rights issues.

Once we do that, we stop seeing a difference between crimes against people due to different skin color, gender, sexuality, because they all become human rights issues. Kill a person for having white skin, or black skin it's the same crime. I'm transgender but I don't consider someone killing me any more special if they do it because of their disagreement with who I am or because someone has white skin, both are ignorant and a hate crime against human rights.

As long as we treat every human rights issue by division instead as a crime against us as a whole we will forever be divided and constantly running in opposite direction, never in strong enough numbers to do anything because we're constantly fight over who's crimes against who is worse when we're all completely capable of having hate crimes committed against us.

I don't want anyone coming to talk to white people, I find it insulting. I was married to a "black" woman, why should her and I be considered any different and be talked to separately because of our skin color, and what kind of arrogant short sighted asshole to talks to the "black" community about their concerns as if they're the #ing borg.

It's like Obama telling black people he will take it as a personal insult if they don't vote for Hillary. Who the hell does he think he is acting like black people have any obligation to do anything he wants simply because he shares their skin color? He'll take it as a personal insult? Why?

I'm a liberal in many ways, leading more to the socialist side of it, but, I'm beyond fed up with the extreme racial rhetoric so many of our side spout like it's in any way helpful to ending division at all.

There's an agenda here, there's, you know what never mind, honestly I'm getting kind of tired of trying, no one wants to actually listen. Let a minority of people control the narrative, I'm done trying to convince people that the way forward is to talk to each other as people together, as a we instead of them and us. I hope we learn someday and throw off the shackles of division and finally come together and fight for human rights as one.

I'm tired and frustrated, I won't be responding anymore to this thread I've said my piece. As a white skinned transgender bi-sexual who married a black skinned woman, the continual pushing of division is a hard stressful one for me. I'm beyond frustrated with it.

Been working on this reply a long while I'm sure a lot has been posted since then.
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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 05:46 PM
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The major issue that she's skating around is that in America it doesn't matter if you kill one person or you go on a rampage and kill 20; the punishment is 25 to life or the death penalty either way. If you had just committed a crime or killed someone and the police had you cornered; you'd try to blast your way out in the hopes of escaping. In other countries a lesser sentence gives people incentive to hand themselves in if cornered.

For her as a white person to play the race card is disgusting.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth


You fail to mention just how downright flying load of BS the idea is, going to talk to white folks, on any subject or issue. This just proves they by design and generalized other keep racism alive, are fat headed, play to stereotype are just simply full of it.



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