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Originally posted by Frith
Please. Capitalism in its current form and usage is precisely why we find ourselves in the predicament we are in. Our governemnts are to blame, and they are primarily capitalist governments.
Originally posted by boogyman
Your being naive.
Do you honestly think that everyone has equal footing in this country?
Do you honestly believe I have the same opportunity as a man who was born rich? I dont know what country you live in but here in America someone with money has all sorts of advantages like better schools better healthcare and better political representation.
Its real easy to say go to school learn about investments etc.
Please explain to me exactly what a poor guy is supposed to pay for all these wonderous things with Monopoly money? Its kind of hard to live hand to mouth and spend money on school at the same time. (No Im not talking about me obviously I'm doing alright for myself with my highspeed internet connection and I'm making an effort to go to schol as well.)
All this talk about being self sufficient and independant is nice but means jack in the real world. Humanity did not get where it was today by being self sufficient. Everything we have accomplished has been accomplished through group effort. If our ancestors had said I'm going to be a rugged individualist and go it alone we wouldnt have survived as a species. You try fighting off a sabretooth or killing a mmamoth by yourself. We're packanimals for chrissakes.
Its only with the recent advent of industrialization that this fad of rugged individualism has even become possible.
Look at the family or marriage both are based on a communal concept not a capitalist one. How many succesful families have you ever heard of where the children where allowed to starve or die of exposure if they didnt pay rent?
Originally posted by boogyman
Why exactly wouldnt poor people have "great opportunities" in a communal society? I just don't see why exactly Capitalism is this all giving panacea that offers things nothing else can. How exactly is it easier for a poor person to become rich in a capitalist society then a communal one?
Originally posted by Coolbreeze
Is capitalism right? I mean it's alright for people who's got lots of money ,rich and get plenty of it and they can buy and develop what they would like in life but I think it really sucks for like the 2/3rd's of the world because they havent any money and are poor.
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
The bottom line is that in a capitalist system the individual can prosper far more than under other systems. It all depends on the right factors aligning.
Originally posted by bsbray11
But the people who "succeed" the most are doing so at the cost of millions of other people's hard labor. It wouldn't work out any other way.
No one can be a millionaire or billionaire in a capitalist society without many more people putting in hard labor under them.
That everyone has an equal opportunity at being obscenely wealthy is just a nice-sounding theory, but could never work.
In practice, I don't even need to detail how rarely it works out that someone goes from rags to riches, and if everyone was well-off, the whole system would collapse just like ideal Communism from no one doing work.
People that start their own businesses, etc., from the bottom, usually only make it to the lowest rung of the upper class if I remember my sociology correctly.
The people at the top of the chain were all born into their wealth with only a handful of exceptions among our 275 million people.