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Dear Liberals, How Do You Reconcile The Totalitarian Democratic Platform??

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posted on Sep, 19 2016 @ 11:30 PM
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It's all there now. I thought you guys were all about civil liberties?

The modern age methods of "book burnings" at schools is way over the top. And you guys defend it???

Obama inherited to most hardcore combined police state + domestic surveillance apparatus the world has ever seen. Ever in the known univere. Since then he's only expanded it (to even include civilian foot soldiers by the millions).

Modern "liberals", at least the ones in this site, scream from sea to shining sea daily that the "MSM" (Criminal Media) (along with everything the Federal Government (the same one that oppresses EVERYBODY) are to be entirely trusted in every way shape and form).

Liberal CRT/PS inspired "social justice activists" (SJW's) consistently assault people they dont agree with. Its even risen to the level of mass murder and in the form of riots both hunting down political rallies as well as sections of cities burning to the ground with the participants actively hunting down white people (racial HATE crimes) in the process.

Obama, who actually paid lip service during his tenure as POTUS, has done just as much to embolden the War On Drugs (the WOD which is confirmed to be bonafide systematic oppression against the black community). He even went as far as having his DEA classify Kratom as a Schedule 1 (FELONY) offense (Kratom being about the only natural publicly accessible aid to opiate withdrawal.

I can go on and on like this, although many others can describe such added entries even better than I can. When the Bush + Neocon GOP was Pubic Enemy #1, I was with you guys in opposing that. But now today, the party that masquerades as "liberal" had been running amok for 8 years, and its fruits are even darker than Dubya's regime.

How do you not reject this kind of stuff to your very core???
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posted on Sep, 19 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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As long as there is a (D) behind the names, that is what makes the difference.
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posted on Sep, 19 2016 @ 11:56 PM
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Modern "liberals", at least the ones in this site, scream from sea to shining sea daily that the "MS" (Criminal Media) (along with everything the Federal Government (the same one that oppresses EVERYBODY) are to be entirely trusted in every way shape and form).


I sure as heck don't think that, or that book burnings are good or that all that the people who attack others were doing anything but making them and others look deplorable.

Sounds like you have a whole lot of generalizations for a whole lot of people.

Funny how you separate Bush from conservatives with the neo con remark but don't extend the same to Obama or Hillary.... kinda disengenous.
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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:01 AM
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There are some so called white liberals who want to restrict the rights of minorities.




4) Liberals want to control minorities: If you're not a straight white male, liberals think they own you like a slave. They're not allowed to whip you like a slave any more, but if you leave the liberal plantation by thinking for yourself, they will try to destroy you as a human being. Why do liberals hate men like Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson so much? Because they're successful, intelligent, well-liked black men who don't see themselves as victims, complain incessantly about racism, or believe that they need liberals to succeed. If you're a "feminist," why wouldn't you be celebrating strong, successful, much-admired women like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Dana Loesch or Michelle Malkin? Because they don't hate men, look at themselves as victims, or believe in aborting as many children as possible. Therefore, they must be demeaned, smeared, and hurt in any way possible. What if you're gay and don't see yourself as a victim or believe the central focus of your entire life should be gay marriage? They want you destroyed. What if you're a strong Hispanic man or woman who doesn't see unlimited illegal immigration as good for the country? They hate you with the passion of a thousand suns. Liberals believe you are free to be anything you want to be, as you long as you stick to the extremely narrow, well-defined roles they've created that allow you to say, speak, and think whatever they tell you.


townhall.com...



posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
The modern age methods of "book burnings" at schools is way over the top. And you guys defend it???


What are you even talking about? Is this about trigger warnings and the laughable things like it?


originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Liberal CRT/PS inspired "social justice activists" (SJW's) consistently assault people they dont agree with.


Why are people so concerned about CRT? More often it is people screaming CRT/"Clinton Shill" then actual people that seem to be part of them. I also see you hate BLM without saying you do. Which given this post isnt a surprise. Some people claiming to support the movement have done things that are deplorable. I assume you also blame them for the Dallas shootings even though that was carried out by someone who didnt support BLM because it was not radical enough for him.


originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Obama, who actually paid lip service during his tenure as POTUS, has done just as much to embolden the War On Drugs (the WOD which is confirmed to be bonafide systematic oppression against the black community). He even went as far as having his DEA classify Kratom as a Schedule 1 (FELONY) offense (Kratom being about the only natural publicly accessible aid to opiate withdrawal.


Other then you know not bringing the full force of the DEA on states that allowed weed to be legal. He could do more yes but its not like he has done nothing. I have no opinion of Kartom other then temporary means permanent for the DEA.

I could go writing about many random issues that look bad for the GOP/Johnson/Stien. And claim "WHY ARE YOU SO TERRIBLE FOR SUPPORTING THIS!".



posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:26 AM
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Are they laughable?


originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
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THE NU-NAZI'S

Authoritarian personality is a state of mind or attitude characterized by belief in absolute obedience or submission to one's own authority, as well as the administration of that belief through the oppression of one's subordinates. It usually applies to individuals who are known or viewed as having an authoritative, strict, or oppressive personality towards subordinates. en.wikipedia.org...

In a discussion of authoritarianism / totalitarianism, there's hardly a better case study than Nazi Germany.

The Nazi Party began building a mass movement. From 27,000 members in 1925, the Party grew to 108,000 in 1929. The SA was the paramilitary unit of the Party, a propaganda arm that became known for its strong arm tactics of street brawling and terror. The SS was established as an elite group with special duties within the SA, but it remained inconsequential until Heinrich Himmler became its leader in 1929. By the late twenties, the Nazi Party started other auxiliary groups. The Hitler Youth, the Student League and the Pupils' League were open to young Germans. The National Socialist Women's League allowed women to get involved. Different professional groups--teachers, lawyers and doctors--had their own auxiliary units.
... Party propaganda proved effective at winning over university students, veterans' organizations, and professional groups, although the Party became increasingly identified with young men of the lower middle classes. fcit.usf.edu...


Nazi anti-Jewish policy functioned on two primary levels: legal measures to expel the Jews from society and strip them of their rights and property while simultaneously engaging in campaigns of incitement, abuse, terror and violence of varying proportions. There was one goal: to make the Jews leave Germany.
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Ceremonial public book burnings took place throughout Germany. Many books were torched solely because their authors were Jews. The exclusion of Jews from German cultural life was highly visible, ousting their considerable contribution to the German press, literature, theater, and music.
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Jews were banned from universities; Jewish actors were dismissed from theaters; Jewish authors’ works were rejected by publishers; and Jewish journalists were hard-pressed to find newspapers that would publish their writings. Famous artists and scientists played an important role in this campaign of dispossession and party labeling of literature, art, and science. Some scientists and physicians were involved in the theoretical underpinnings of the racial doctrine. www.yadvashem.org...#!prettyPhoto



Those about quotes about the rise of the Nazi's, today one could change the word Jew to SWM's in all of that, and it'd read coherently in line with what is already happening today with this social justice front. It's all propaganda, and that propaganda is all about identity politics (like the Nazi's). Where the Nazi's had the Jews to blame all of their problems on, SJW's have the straight white male "Patriarchy" conspiracy to blame all of their percieved oppression on. Where the Nazi's burned Jewish books, SJW's on college campuses are redefining the English language in ways that leaves no room for the future of the Comedian profession.

10 Most Absurd Things Banned On Politically Correct College Campuses
While some crusaders of political correctness may seek to ban offensive words from our vernacular, others have begun to attack correct grammar as offensive. UCLA professor Val Rust thought he was just doing his job by correcting the spelling and grammatical errors he found in his students’ papers in a graduate-level class, but when students got their papers back, some of them alleged that the spelling and grammar corrections were a form of microaggression against the students, some of whom were minorities.




Trigger warnings are warnings that the ensuing content contains strong writing or images which could unsettle those with mental health difficulties. Angus Johnston, a history professor at the City University of New York, said that trigger warnings can be a part of "sound pedagogy," noting that students encountering potentially triggering material are "coming to it as whole people with a wide range of experiences, and that the journey we're going on together may at times be painful. It's not coddling them to acknowledge that. In fact, it's just the opposite." Students at UC Santa Barbara passed a resolution in support of mandatory trigger warnings for classes that could contain potentially upsetting material. Professors would be required to alert students of such material and allow them to skip classes that could make them feel uncomfortable. en.wikipedia.org...

On April 8, 1933, the Main Office for Press and Propaganda of the German Student Union proclaimed a nationwide "Action against the Un-German Spirit", which was to climax in a literary purge or "cleansing" ("Säuberung") by fire. Local chapters were to supply the press with releases and commissioned articles, sponsor well-known Nazi figures to speak at public gatherings, and negotiate for radio broadcast time. On the 8th of April, the Student Union also drafted the Twelve Theses which deliberately evoked Martin Luther and the historic burning of "Un-German" books at the Wartburg festival on the 300th anniversary of the posting of Luther's Ninety-Five Theses. The theses called for a "pure" national language and culture. Placards publicized the theses, which attacked "Jewish intellectualism", asserted the need to "purify" German language and literature, and demanded that universities be centres of German nationalism. The students described the "action" as a response to a worldwide Jewish "smear campaign" against Germany and an affirmation of traditional German values. en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:29 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
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Another anti-free speech trend has been in protesting & black listing guest speakers on college campuses.

Violence erupts as protesters block entrance to conservative’s speech at public university
Hundreds of student demonstrators at Cal State University Los Angeles on Thursday blocked the entrance to a theater where conservative Ben Shapiro gave a speech on “when diversity becomes a problem” in a protest so rowdy that several shoving matches ensued and many guests who sough to attend the event were effectively prevented from doing so. The crowd of student protesters choked the theater lobby, and when someone would try to access the door to the speech, a group of rowdy demonstrators in front of the entrance would hold up their hands and form something like a human wall, chanting “no violence” over and over. No guests were able to enter through the front.


Given their authoritarian nature, it's no surprise that they'd be going nuts over a conservative trying to give a speech on political correctness, but when they start protesting fellow Liberals it just gets weird:
Watch Bill Maher Take Down the Students Protesting His Berkeley Commencement Address
“Whoever told you you only had to hear what didn’t upset you?”
Bill Maher had a sharp message Friday for the University of California, Berkeley students who want to disinvite him from giving a commencement speech, telling them that “my reputation isn’t on the line. Yours is.” More than 4,000 people have signed a petition to cancel Maher’s December commencement speech amid growing criticism about his views on Islam, which Maher has called “the only religion that acts like the mafia that will f—ng kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture, or write the wrong book.”


Maher Goes Off on PC College Protesters: ‘Who Raised These Little Monsters?!’
Maher said... the protesters’ tactic of a media-free zone made them “look like the Chinese army” because “their right to not be offended does not supersede the First Amendment.” But Yale pissed him off a lot more. In the past week Yale students have been outraged that a school official dared suggest in an email that people maybe chill about supposedly offensive Halloween costumes.


Peoples inability to take a joke is the real problem here, as demonstrated by the fact most big comedians wont even play college campuses anymore (even if they're allowed to).

Comedian and actor Chris Rock told New York magazine he stopped playing colleges because they’ve gotten “way too conservative.”
Rich asked Rock about his thoughts on students’ attempt to block Bill Maher from speaking on campus due to his comments on HBO about Muslims. That’s when Rock said college campuses in America were too conservative, though, not necessarily in a political way:

"Not in their political views — not like they’re voting Republican — but in their social views and their willingness not to offend anybody. Kids raised on a culture of “We’re not going to keep score in the game because we don’t want anybody to lose.” Or just ignoring race to a fault. You can’t say “the black kid over there.” No, it’s “the guy with the red shoes.” You can’t even be offensive on your way to being inoffensive."



Moving on, apparently the SJW Oppression Scale doesn't apply to the most opppressed people of all:
10 Most Absurd Things Banned On Politically Correct College Campuses
In October 2014, a seemingly innocuous proposal came before the Goldsmiths student union to commemorate the Holocaust. However, the students voted against commemorating the Holocaust, voting it down almost unanimously—60 to 1.


Also similar to Nazi methods, the SJW movement is already effectively targeting all of the children (even down to the kindergartner level) in the United States of America, with this whole transgender restroom edict Obama issued, while also targeting today's youth right on up to the college campuses where all of this stuff is running entirely amok with this "trigger warning" stuff (which they've been trying to have every book in the entire library reviewed under PC doctrine, and then stickered with "trigger warnings" so that their ilk wont ever open them). I always thought education meant learning stuff like History, Math, Science and so on. In any event, Hitler would be most proud of what's going on here today, as in Nazi Germany they only burnt the Jewish authored books, while today the SJW's are rewriting the English language while striving to nitpick the details of every book known to man. If you still lack a proper illustration on this point, under the current set of PC language doctrine they're already pushing, hardly any classical text is immune from getting stickered with a "trigger warning", and yet their ever-evolving redefining of the entire English language has only just begun.


Social Justice Bullies: The Authoritarianism of Millennial Social Justice
There is a word for ideologies, religious or secular, that seek to politicize and control every aspect of human life: totalitarian. Unlike most such ideologies, SocJus has no fixed doctrine or clear utopian vision. But in a way, its amorphousness makes it more tyrannical. While all revolutions are prone to devouring their children, the SocJus movement may be especially vulnerable to self-immolation: Its creed of “intersectionality”—multiple overlapping oppressions—means that the oppressed are always one misstep away from becoming the oppressor. Your cool feminist T-shirt can become a racist atrocity in a mouse click. And since new “marginalized” identities can always emerge, no one can tell what currently acceptable words or ideas may be excommunicated tomorrow.


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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:32 AM
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Interestingly Neo Nazis and many SJWs have something in common like wanting to oppress minorities.




That question arose in a big way recently with the release of a viral video purporting to show a woman walking through New York City and being “catcalled” by various men. The horrifying abuse that the woman in the video endures truly is disturbing. Not only is she told “hello” numerous times and asked “how are you doing?”, but some particularly fiendish men even tell her to “have a good day”. Deeply shocking and profoundly terrifying stuff indeed. Now, one would expect SJWs to leap at the opportunity to jump on their soapbox and use this video as an opportunity to preach about “rape culture” and the “street harassment” that women endure. And, initially, that is exactly what a few of them did. But hold on: where do white women rank in the Oppression Olympics? As it turns out, the woman in the video is white and most of the “catcallers” are black and Latino men. Not only that, but they’re primarily lower-class too. So, here we have an upper-class white woman being catcalled by lower-class “PoC”. In the world of SJWs, there is a hierarchy of oppressed groups.




And, whereas right-wingers see minorities as enemies, leftists see minorities as pets. The modern identity politics-driven leftist views minorities the same way that modern third-wave feminists view women: as nothing more than poor, helpless, pitiful little children who have absolutely no agency whatsoever and are completely incapable of doing anything for themselves. To claim that catcalling is an intrinsic part of black and/or Latino “culture” is utterly clueless and extremely condescending to anyone who actually knows anything about black and/or Latino culture.






Unsurprisingly, white supremacists and neo-Nazis have also jumped at the chance to use this video to further their agenda. The video has been plastered all over white supremacist sites as an example of “n***** culture” and “feral n****** harassing a white woman”. These people, of course, are playing right into the hands of the SJWs that I described above, as this is exactly the reaction that they want the video to create so as to validate their narrative that the video was created by evil white men in order to fuel hatred of “PoC”.



thoughtcatalog.com...



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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
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You people really are out yer sh#t huh?

It's Hillary people doing the assaults, attacks and rioting.








posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Interestingly the Neo Nazis and many SJWs have a lot in common


They do!!!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Snip, I love to use the Neo-Nazi's as the most perfect examples for what the "Nu-Nazi's" are showing themselves to be. I'm smearing both unilaterally in that process (I hope), although smearing the new pop culture isn't the goal per se its in bringing this new mass social trend back down to reality (especially since supposedly they're against all that racist stuff).

If Neo-Nazi's all the sudden were taking the national dialog by storm, and ATS were on fire all summer over it, I'd be here doing the same work (yet it wouldn't be quite as 'fun' nor easy not having the Neo-Nazi's as the example of what not to be).

These groups if marginal off in their own little worlds whatever, who cares, why bother with extremists (generally a pointless exercise) unless they're uglying up the social scape? Thought policing people isn't my thing. But when I saw ATS ablaze at the onset of summer I immediately knew things have changed and these are the darkest time since I've been.


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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:40 AM
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Stereotypes don't count unless you're talking about the other guy.
Everybody knows that.

Oh, and there are no such thing as moderates. Especially if you're talking about conservatives...or liberals.

...or blacks
...or whites
...or Christians
...or Muslims
...or Hindus (which are probably actually Muslims)
...or reptilians.
Well, maybe reptilians. They're pretty bad, on the whole.

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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:42 AM
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You're quoting your own posts as a "source" now?

Hoo boy.



posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:45 AM
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I can imagine a future dystopia where the SJWs aka Nu Nazis came to power and use so called "liberal policies" to restrict civil liberties of everyone in the country. Doesn't matter if your white, man, black, gay etc. If you don't bow down before the Nu Nazis/SJWs you will be marginalized.

I'm pretty sure they will use a Purge like scenario to use the the divide and rule tactic and have Americans fight each other.


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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:45 AM
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Obama inherited to most hardcore combined police state + domestic surveillance apparatus the world has ever seen. Ever in the known univere. Since then he's only expanded it (to even include civilian foot soldiers by the millions).


I agree. He has expanded it. The NDAA is one example of this. I can foresee Hillary continuing this. What's funny, Ignorance, is that you seem to lay this all against 'liberals' when your messiah, Trump, has doubled down on expanding the surveillance state:

Reauthorizing the Patriot Act:

In the above-embedded clip, Hewitt asks Trump, “On metadata collection, Ted Cruz is glad the NSA got out of it. Marco Rubio wants it back. What’s Donald Trump think?”

“Well, I tend to err on the side of security, I must tell you,” Trump replied, “and I’ve been there for longer than you would think.

truthinmedia.com...

Has no issues having databases on certain americans based on religion

The next day, an MSNBC reporter asked Trump, "Should there be a database or system that tracks Muslims in this country?"

"There should be a lot of systems," Trump responded. "Beyond databases. I mean, we should have a lot of systems."

Trump then digressed to talk about a wall along the southern border, before the reporter interjected, "But that’s something your White House would like to implement."

"I would certainly implement that. Absolutely," Trump said.

www.politifact.com...

Telling Americans to spy on their fellow Americans??

Donald Trump made headlines recently calling for increased domestic security measures, namely a “database” of Muslims in the country.

time.com...

Promising to overturn same sex marriage because nothing says freedom like treating people unequally under the law
www.pinknews.co.uk...

Hey all let's just ignore the fact that Trump has made NO issue with NSA spying on the internet:


Trump said many Americans “would be willing to give up some privacy in order to have more safety.”

nakedsecurity.sophos.com...

Oh and he's not a fan of Edward Snowden. Gee I'm not surprised:

“I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?” Trump said, Politico reported.

www.washingtontimes.com...

He also supports keeping Guantanamo open.

But yes yes yes, those dang liberals.


How do you not reject this kind of stuff to your very core???


I reject it. You can go right back to my posts. I've posted about Obama and the NDAA, I've been rather clear about not supporting Hillary.

Now how can you post something like this in one breath but then continue to post your sympathy and support for Trump in another thread given his evident intentions?

Hypocrisy? Or am I wrong? You're not a hypocrite?



posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:46 AM
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My, we are complicated creatures.


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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:49 AM
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NOTHING you say is true. In fact, everything you say is against Liberal ideals.

Book burning? Really? Librarians are the toughest and most liberal people you would ever want to meet...I pity the fool that would say they would burn a book.

I have seen this ODD trend growing. Conservatives trying to call Liberals what Conservatives always have been. Racist, ag ainst civil liberties, against change I(even 100 years after others have changed) and classist.

You can't switch this no matter how hard you try. It is absolutely ridiculous and desperate.

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posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:51 AM
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Everything I don't like it is Hitler!
Some of you need gold medals for the gymnastics yall pull.



posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Modern "liberals", at least the ones in this site, scream from sea to shining sea daily that the "MSM" (Criminal Media) (along with everything the Federal Government (the same one that oppresses EVERYBODY) are to be entirely trusted in every way shape and form).



No, I don't.



posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I can imagine a future dystopia where the SJWs aka Nu Nazis came to power and use so called "liberal policies" to restrict civil liberties of everyone in the country. Doesn't matter if your white, man, black, gay etc. If you don't bow down before the Nu Nazis/SJWs you will be marginalized.

I'm pretty sure they will use a Purge like scenario to use the the divide and rule tactic and have Americans fight each other.



Shame on you. That is also ridiculous.



posted on Sep, 20 2016 @ 12:58 AM
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Well least we know it really was just a hit piece to discredit people. Here are you own words where you try to conflate SJW with Neo-nazis to discredit them.



originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Snip, I love to use the Neo-Nazi's as the most perfect examples for what the "Nu-Nazi's" are showing themselves to be. I'm smearing both unilaterally in that process (I hope), although smearing the new pop culture isn't the goal per se its in bringing this new mass social trend back down to reality (especially since supposedly they're against all that racist stuff).

If Neo-Nazi's all the sudden were taking the national dialog by storm, and ATS were on fire all summer over it, I'd be here doing the same work (yet it wouldn't be quite as 'fun' nor easy not having the Neo-Nazi's as the example of what not to be).

These groups if marginal off in their own little worlds whatever, who cares, why bother with extremists (generally a pointless exercise) unless they're uglying up the social scape? Thought policing people isn't my thing. But when I saw ATS ablaze at the onset of summer I immediately knew things have changed and these are the darkest time since I've been.



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