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Reddit post apparently related to Clintons email coverup

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posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 05:20 AM
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so basically he will be the fall guy and hillary will be let off as she claims she dot know how a plug works never midnd a computer- not a real claim obviosuly. a reply to: Agit8dChop




posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 07:05 AM
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originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
so basically he will be the fall guy and hillary will be let off as she claims she dot know how a plug works never midnd a computer- not a real claim obviosuly. a reply to: Agit8dChop



Rumours are circulating that he is going to sing like a canary... we'll see.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 07:58 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

It would be the best insurance policy he could get.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: UKTruth

It would be the best insurance policy he could get.


Agreed. The guy must be getting no sleep at all. He must know his life is hanging by a thread.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Be a champion for the people and tell the truth or live the rest of his life looking over his shoulder and despised by the people.

His choice.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
so basically he will be the fall guy and hillary will be let off as she claims she dot know how a plug works never midnd a computer- not a real claim obviosuly. a reply to: Agit8dChop




edit on 21-9-2016 by Steak because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 08:31 AM
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Can't help but think Combetta (aka 'Stonetear') has a 'special' insurance policy in his back pocket.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Interesting..

He has already received Immunity from the DOJ and cooperated with the FBI and had multiple interviews and answered questions.

He took the 5th with the congressional hearings.

So the DOJ might be well aware of what transpired.

And as hopeful as the Anti-Clinton crowd might be that this is a smoking gun...

It has to be stated for realty's sake...

He might have been simply trying to protect a personal email address by substituting it with a generic place holder...

Replacing Hclinton12@blahblah.com with "Hillary Clinton"

His Reddit post from the exchange cited infers the same..



User “stonetear” responded:

“The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it.”


www.foxnews.com...

If this doesn't comport with his FBI interview...they can both retract his immunity and arrest him for lying to the FBI etc.

If it does comport with what the FBI already knows...then this will be the Congressional GOP demanding he testify again...and he can continue to take the 5th or the FBI can intercede and say they are already aware of the circumstances etc.

Either way it serves as fodder for the election cycle.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Indigo5

sure, but lack of clarity on his part doesnt translate well with voters.

If the email "thing" had been forgotten then yes. Pretend and insist until it goes away like usual...

It is now a throbbing scandal that people dont understand, which is actually worse for clinton.

In the end there is a "gut feeling" directing the masses, and its growing into pulsing pains of caution with her.


edit on 9 21 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
so basically he will be the fall guy and hillary will be let off as she claims she dot know how a plug works never midnd a computer- not a real claim obviosuly. a reply to: Agit8dChop



Rumours are circulating that he is going to sing like a canary... we'll see.


What would he sing?

The same exchange cited here includes this..



User “stonetear” responded:

“The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it.”


www.foxnews.com...

In email exchanges that are made public...Most of them swap the actual email address for a placeholder like (Hillary Clinton) to protect the actual email address.

You can argue the veracity of that..

But that is what he said he was doing at the time in that Reddit exchange...

So he doesn't appear to have been trying to hide Clinton's participation in those emails..

I can see how if you don't include that part of the exchange the Reddit post can be used to paint a different picture..but in full context I see no smoking gun.

More so since he has already been extensively interviewed by the DOJ under immunity and has likely explained everything he did and the DOJ did not find it indictment worthy.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
so basically he will be the fall guy and hillary will be let off as she claims she dot know how a plug works never midnd a computer- not a real claim obviosuly. a reply to: Agit8dChop



Rumours are circulating that he is going to sing like a canary... we'll see.


What would he sing?

The same exchange cited here includes this..



User “stonetear” responded:

“The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it.”


www.foxnews.com...

In email exchanges that are made public...Most of them swap the actual email address for a placeholder like (Hillary Clinton) to protect the actual email address.

You can argue the veracity of that..

But that is what he said he was doing at the time in that Reddit exchange...


From a previous comment I left on that:

HILLARY'S EMAIL ADDRESS WAS ALREADY PUBLICLY KNOWN, BY JULY 24, 2014. Case in point: Link to Gawker

Besides, once those emails were requested by Congress, it's the same as if they were evidence for use in a Court of Law -- they were prohibited from being tampered with and were required to be completely preserved.

Obviously, Stonetear did not want to say "Oh, this email archive has been requested by Congress," when the responders began to bring up legal issues. Instead, he still wanted the advice and came up with the excuse that it needed to be done to protect someone's privacy.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Indigo5

sure, but lack of clarity on his part doesnt translate well with voters.

If the email "thing" had been forgotten then yes. Pretend and insist until it goes away like usual...

It is now a throbbing scandal that people dont understand, which is actually worse for clinton.

In the end there is a "gut feeling" directing the masses, and its growing into pulsing pains of caution with her.



Oh...no doubt it has campaign utility and folks are not interested in the fine details...

I was only speaking to the actual context and facts and they don't support the inference when you read the follow-up reddit post. He was looking to protect exposing her email address, not her identity. Thus his explaining that he wanted to replace it with a "Placeholder"...or at the very least he established that motive on the Reddit exchange at the time. That combined with him giving extensive interviews already to the DOJ under the safe umbrella of immunity...No revelation here and no smoking gun IMO. Headlines? Some utility for Trump Campaign...of course.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
I was only speaking to the actual context and facts and they don't support the inference when you read the follow-up reddit post. He was looking to protect exposing her email address, not her identity.



Doesn't hold water. Her email address was already public by then.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Indigo5

sure, but lack of clarity on his part doesnt translate well with voters.

If the email "thing" had been forgotten then yes. Pretend and insist until it goes away like usual...

It is now a throbbing scandal that people dont understand, which is actually worse for clinton.

In the end there is a "gut feeling" directing the masses, and its growing into pulsing pains of caution with her.



Oh...no doubt it has campaign utility and folks are not interested in the fine details...

I was only speaking to the actual context and facts and they don't support the inference when you read the follow-up reddit post. He was looking to protect exposing her email address, not her identity. Thus his explaining that he wanted to replace it with a "Placeholder"...or at the very least he established that motive on the Reddit exchange at the time. That combined with him giving extensive interviews already to the DOJ under the safe umbrella of immunity...No revelation here and no smoking gun IMO. Headlines? Some utility for Trump Campaign...of course.


I've posted this a few times now - this is as likely a smoking gun as we'll find. Clearly, Stonetear started by wanting to change HRC's name - that didn't work so they broke out bleachbit.

According to Committee chairman Jason Chaffetz, the following email exchange occurred between Combetta and another undisclosed Platte River Network staff member back on 8/19/15:

“Wondering how we can sneak an email in now, after the fact, asking them [the Clinton camp] when they told us to cut the backups and have them confirm it for our records. Starting to think this whole thing is really covering up some shady #. I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups then we can go public with our statement saying we’ve had the backup since day one when we were told to trim to 30 days would make us look a whole lot better.”



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Possibly...but the bottom line is that his "out" is there in the thread.

He could have (or claim the same) (A) He was unaware that Hillary's email had already been exposed by Gawker..or (B) That he was looking to replace someone elses private email addy with a place holder "Chelsea Clinton"...Bill...Colin Powel..And while it might be attempted evidence tampering, he was apparently unsuccessful and received immunity from the DOJ prior to his interviews with them.

I don't see a route where this has legitimate legal teeth..campaign rhetorical teeth? Sure...but in the context of his post claiming he was looking to protect an email address with a place-holder...plus his existing immunity with the DOJ?

It's headlines...not something that the DOJ will chase...they might already be aware of this.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Indigo5
I was only speaking to the actual context and facts and they don't support the inference when you read the follow-up reddit post. He was looking to protect exposing her email address, not her identity.



Doesn't hold water. Her email address was already public by then.


AGAIN...His answer to that? (A) I was unaware that her email address had been exposed already or (B) I was looking to protect the private email address of Colin Powell or Chelsea Clinton or Bill Clinton etc. Plenty of VIPs in those emails..And he has the reddit post where he explains he wanted to use a place-holder to protect the private email address...and he has Immunity with the DOJ and has been interviewed by them extensively...he only claimed the 5th with Congress...

I am not defending him on this...just saying that he has plenty of solid "outs" from what the politically motivated claim is here. Headlines? sure...Legal consequences?...no
edit on 21-9-2016 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Agit8dChop

Interesting..

He has already received Immunity from the DOJ and cooperated with the FBI and had multiple interviews and answered questions.

He took the 5th with the congressional hearings.

So the DOJ might be well aware of what transpired.

And as hopeful as the Anti-Clinton crowd might be that this is a smoking gun...

It has to be stated for realty's sake...

He might have been simply trying to protect a personal email address by substituting it with a generic place holder...

Replacing Hclinton12@blahblah.com with "Hillary Clinton"

His Reddit post from the exchange cited infers the same..



User “stonetear” responded:

“The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it.”


www.foxnews.com...

If this doesn't comport with his FBI interview...they can both retract his immunity and arrest him for lying to the FBI etc.

If it does comport with what the FBI already knows...then this will be the Congressional GOP demanding he testify again...and he can continue to take the 5th or the FBI can intercede and say they are already aware of the circumstances etc.

Either way it serves as fodder for the election cycle.



Nice try, but I think that defense won't work.

His reddit post was the day after congress requested these materials. So I do believe that even changing the email to a place holder would be considered tampering with documents. Kepe in mind from his posts, he says "they" want him to do this, meaning his employers, Hillary and her staff.

The other point that is even more damning for your theory is that if stonetear was indeed trying to just put a placeholder name in, why did he later that same day (I believe it was the same day but it doesn't matter) bleach bit all of the emails?

So your theory would be he innocently wanted to change hillary@whatever.com to just say Hillary, so he goes to reddit for help. He claims on there that "they" want him to do this. He can not find the help he needs on reddit. He then somehow decides, "well if I can't find a placeholder as my employers have asked, I will just delete all of the emails in such a way that they can never be found". He does this on his own, knowing that it is a crime, without contacting the people that asked him to put a placeholder name in.

That is beyond the pale.



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: Steak

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Indigo5

sure, but lack of clarity on his part doesnt translate well with voters.

If the email "thing" had been forgotten then yes. Pretend and insist until it goes away like usual...

It is now a throbbing scandal that people dont understand, which is actually worse for clinton.

In the end there is a "gut feeling" directing the masses, and its growing into pulsing pains of caution with her.



Oh...no doubt it has campaign utility and folks are not interested in the fine details...

I was only speaking to the actual context and facts and they don't support the inference when you read the follow-up reddit post. He was looking to protect exposing her email address, not her identity. Thus his explaining that he wanted to replace it with a "Placeholder"...or at the very least he established that motive on the Reddit exchange at the time. That combined with him giving extensive interviews already to the DOJ under the safe umbrella of immunity...No revelation here and no smoking gun IMO. Headlines? Some utility for Trump Campaign...of course.


I've posted this a few times now - this is as likely a smoking gun as we'll find. Clearly, Stonetear started by wanting to change HRC's name - that didn't work so they broke out bleachbit.

According to Committee chairman Jason Chaffetz, the following email exchange occurred between Combetta and another undisclosed Platte River Network staff member back on 8/19/15:

“Wondering how we can sneak an email in now, after the fact, asking them [the Clinton camp] when they told us to cut the backups and have them confirm it for our records. Starting to think this whole thing is really covering up some shady #. I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups then we can go public with our statement saying we’ve had the backup since day one when we were told to trim to 30 days would make us look a whole lot better.”



I need a link and a solid one for that claim above...that seems sensational...

I don't even think Chaffetz would claim that without releasing the actual email..



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Possibly...but the bottom line is that his "out" is there in the thread.

He could have (or claim the same) (A) He was unaware that Hillary's email had already been exposed by Gawker..or (B) That he was looking to replace someone elses private email addy with a place holder "Chelsea Clinton"...Bill...Colin Powel..And while it might be attempted evidence tampering, he was apparently unsuccessful and received immunity from the DOJ prior to his interviews with them.

I don't see a route where this has legitimate legal teeth..campaign rhetorical teeth? Sure...but in the context of his post claiming he was looking to protect an email address with a place-holder...plus his existing immunity with the DOJ?

It's headlines...not something that the DOJ will chase...they might already be aware of this.




Nope.


A person commits the crime of tampering with evidence when he or she knowingly:

-alters, conceals, falsifies, or destroys any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to interfere with an investigation, possible investigation, or other proceeding by the federal government.
(18 U.S.C. § 1519.)

This crime includes making false entries in records or doctoring documents, such as by “cooking the books” of a business to hide illegal activity or avoid taxes or other required payments.

Tampering with evidence also includes destroying or altering documents or things “in contemplation of” an investigation or other proceeding that may occur in the future.


Combetta was in violation of federal law tampering with the emails. He doesn't get to decide that an email address should be obfuscated by a placeholder to protect someone's privacy -- he's an IT guy. That's not his place and it's illegal.

If Congress wanted to redact anything from the evidence before making them public -- then that's up to them.

It's not a legal argument of any kind. It's an admission to tampering with evidence, which is a federal crime.


edit on 21-9-2016 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 21 2016 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Steak

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Indigo5

sure, but lack of clarity on his part doesnt translate well with voters.

If the email "thing" had been forgotten then yes. Pretend and insist until it goes away like usual...

It is now a throbbing scandal that people dont understand, which is actually worse for clinton.

In the end there is a "gut feeling" directing the masses, and its growing into pulsing pains of caution with her.



Oh...no doubt it has campaign utility and folks are not interested in the fine details...

I was only speaking to the actual context and facts and they don't support the inference when you read the follow-up reddit post. He was looking to protect exposing her email address, not her identity. Thus his explaining that he wanted to replace it with a "Placeholder"...or at the very least he established that motive on the Reddit exchange at the time. That combined with him giving extensive interviews already to the DOJ under the safe umbrella of immunity...No revelation here and no smoking gun IMO. Headlines? Some utility for Trump Campaign...of course.


I've posted this a few times now - this is as likely a smoking gun as we'll find. Clearly, Stonetear started by wanting to change HRC's name - that didn't work so they broke out bleachbit.

According to Committee chairman Jason Chaffetz, the following email exchange occurred between Combetta and another undisclosed Platte River Network staff member back on 8/19/15:

“Wondering how we can sneak an email in now, after the fact, asking them [the Clinton camp] when they told us to cut the backups and have them confirm it for our records. Starting to think this whole thing is really covering up some shady #. I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups then we can go public with our statement saying we’ve had the backup since day one when we were told to trim to 30 days would make us look a whole lot better.”



I need a link and a solid one for that claim above...that seems sensational...

I don't even think Chaffetz would claim that without releasing the actual email..


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