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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: intrepid
Yes it is. If he hadn't done it, he would have been just another southern politician. How many southern politicians from that time do you remember and why do you remember them?
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude
At least he didn't wax on publicly about how the blacks were too inferior to do anything else but be slaves. At least he did a lot of really good things that had nothing to do with keeping slaves. What did Davis do? He was a politician who helped break up our country - in order to keep slaves.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Annee
Maybe not bigoted (that depends on your definition). But it is absolutely prejudiced against a protected class (religion)
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Annee
I think most of the Christians that believe our laws should be Christian migrated to Dominionism. Either way sweeping generalizations only hurt us all.
There are also some people from African descendants that hate white people.
Why only bring up racist of one color?
I have empathy for slaves. I continue for have empathy for slaves that exists today all over the world
yet many of the same people focused on how racist this countries history was tell me that I can't criticize the cultures that have actual slavery continuing today (go figure).
The founding fathers may have owned slaves, but they set up a system to make us all equal.
such as almost all countries having a history of slavery.
I have no white guilt. I will treat all people based on their character rather than their color.
I understand that some people get offended by the actions of historical figures
I think Mohammed Ali said some very vile things about not wanting whites and blacks to mix
yet did I run around demanding that no one celebrate his death, or that any on the memorials to him be removed?
Where is your empathy for the poor confederate soldiers that died that never owned slaves
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Annee
Very good. I can accept that you have clarified that the statement made about "Personally, I wouldn't ask a Southern Baptist anything." is just hyperbole, and not really a sweeping generalization. Lord knows I use/abuse hyperbole (along with mixing/matching metaphors). And no doubt the more political actions of the Southern Baptist groups that are out there make you wish they'd go away. To be honest, i'd likely lump any lobby into that box reserved for disdain. They all are buying out our voices.
I know it comes across as pedantic on my part. Its just important to me that individuals be judged on individual merit and not some inborn trait or affiliation.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Annee
Hey Annee I also do not believe you are a bigot. We may disagree on many things, but you have also seemed like a good a fair person to me.
This does go to show though how words can be misconstrued by others and make people seem worse than they are actually saying.
originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Annee
I understood you perfectly fine, i think you had numerous good points. A simple thing you often do when someone wins the argument, you divert it into something totally different.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: yuppa
At the time it was still constitutional. And Intrepids right. the declaration apparently didnt include the slaves when it was written otherwise there would had been none after. They werent considered men by the founding fathers at that time.
That's not entirely true. Thomas Jefferson considered them men/humans. John Adams considered them men/humans and he refused to keep slaves on his farm. Many others agreed, some didn't. The overall consensus at the time the declaration was written was that all states were needed to sign off on the declaration in order to have any success in fighting the British. The founding fathers knew that if they abolished slavery right then, they would lose those states. They decided to save that fight for another day. They essentially kicked that can down the road.
Do we consider black people men/humans/citizens today? Yes, and you can thank Lincoln in part for that.
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: yuppa
The North didn't have a huge farming industry they had mills and equipment manufacturing and you conveniently forget that no, it didn't cost slave owners to feed their slaves as the slaves grew the crops they ate the scraps of. You need to look at the polar economies of the Antebellum period.