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Videocameras in my High School

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posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by creamsoda
It is in fact an invasion of our privacy to be constantly watched.


So if I sit in the cafeteria and stare at you the whole lunch period, is that an invasion of your privacy, too?




posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 03:03 AM
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you have obviously never lived or been anywhere in Nevada. there are cameras
everywhere except the restrooms. anything a female employee carries onto
the floor has to be in a clear purse. anyone in a casino must have identification
on their person. If you are employed at the casion you must carry a state issued id for the area you work in, IE: gaming , nongaming, security.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 08:55 AM
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We also got a huge amount of new cameras over christmas break. Every hallway and every facility. The classrooms are the only places that aren't watched.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 09:19 AM
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At my school they have at least one camara in each hallway, but nobody watches them. They are recorded onto tapes for a week and then they get recorded over. They never been used for anything much except the ones in my cafeteria to see how a fight started but that is it!

Heck I think they should have one in the bathroom entrance ways just to see if anyone decidides they need a smoke or want to fight in there. But if they ever did they shouldn't in anyway angle them to see into any stall or above any urinal. Other than that they don't cause problems.

Like others have said already they can put the camaras up if they want. So I say just get used to it.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 02:27 PM
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I go to a catholic high school, and yes, even we "good kids" have video cameras. I'm kinda glad about it as well, because it seems the rich kids get away with so much, while the kids like me who are on shcolarship get attacked evry time they look at a teacher askance or have a crooked tie. I recal one incident, in which a particulalry rich donator to our school was caught with large quantities of alcohol in his car. He was not expelled, because he was parked at an off campus junior parking lot, nor was he legally acclaimed, because the lot was rented by the school. For all this beer he got three saturday detentions. I got a saturday detention for being in the basement of a school building (where the wrestling room/band room is) while no teacher was present. a teacher walkedin a reported me, and i got in incredible trouble. Anyways, im trying to say that in instances such as my school, im quite glad of cameras to promote student equality in punishment. Also, i think cameras do good to limit the causes of aggression that could cause fights.(my school may not be a bgood example of this, we have only had a fight last year for the first time since the chool has been founded) I can give an opinion from my public middle school, where there were several very ugly fights(a kid was taken to an emtpy hallway, beaten with a baseball bat, and kicked in the head with a steel toed boot) simply because people thought that NO ONE WAS WATCHING. Sadly, fear of punishment rather than desire for utopia(which i know is unattainable, too much corruption present in human thought, just waiting to be sparked by the prospect of quick easy power), so cameras can provide people with the sense that someone is watching, and they WILL be punished fopr their actions, thus making society, at face level, more peaceful. Cameras are not there so people can watch you twenty four seven, and they are not a huge conspiracy against us. Rather, they are there for safety, which is a huge issue in todays society. EVERY ACTIONS THAT WE DONT LIKE IS NOT A CONSPIRACY! there are good reasons for many of the systems used to restrict our actions to that which is socially accpetable in keeping a peaceful society. Sure we may think it limits indiviiidualism, and anybody who agrees with the system and does not question it is a "conformist", but you cant really slap a label of conformity on somebody unless you understand theyre reasons for agreeing and not fighting: maybe they realize that people just arent as genetically and intellectually advanced as they should be, and some people do indeed resort to primitive violence and other forms of unnecessary agression to get their way.

[edit on 23-1-2005 by waldheimat]



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by para


Since it was a public HS the government does have the right to install videocameras IMO, but I see where you are going with this. It is disconcerting to know that we are being watched all the time, whether we know it or not.




well does anyone actually feel safe in a public school aymore? i graduated in 04 ad i never really felt "safe" at shcool.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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Again, it is public property they can do whatever the hell they want. They can search your lockers without your permission for it is their property. Is your privacy being invaded when you go into a store? they have cameras, maybe they should get rid of them so you can steal from there to without worry of getting caught.

Only people who do something wrong have a reason to worry. Us good people don't care cause we don't do anything bad.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Again, it is public property they can do whatever the hell they want. They can search your lockers without your permission for it is their property.


Thats exactlly why I didnt get a locker. Evan though I have nothing to hide.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 03:40 PM
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Several points.

The cameras are there for your protection. If something happens to you (stabbing, beating, being pissed on, etc), it'll be on those tapes. Without those tapes, anything that happened to you would be your word against whoever did it.

Cameras are in most stores in the US. Do you demand them to be taken away as well?

No one sits around watching what the camera shows. Stuff is recorded, come for a certain period of time, then the tapes get re-used. Schools can't afford to pay someone just to sit and watch the screens.

In reference for needing a reason to arrest you, cops don't. They can take you in any time they please, and hold you between 24 to 72 hours, depending on state law. All they have to say is you looked dangerous, had a concealed weapon, matched the depscription of some vague criminal, etc.

Most schools require student IDs these days. If yours does, do you complain about them? In my old schools, you couldn't go anywhere without them.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Croat56
They could change the law by saying its for our "protection". Dont you see its a slippery slope.

Havign cameras in public places is not part of a slope torwards government ordered cameras in your home. Privacy only exists when you are in private, not when you are wlaking around in the public world.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 05:59 PM
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Havign cameras in public places is not part of a slope torwards government ordered cameras in your home. Privacy only exists when you are in private, not when you are wlaking around in the public world.


Then why would I want to walk around in the public if Im just going to be watched by videocamers.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 06:11 PM
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Then why would I want to walk around in the public if Im just going to be watched by videocamers.


Don't then. Stay home 24/7 where you are expected to have privacy.
Being watched by a camera in public is no different than being watched by a person. If you go out in public you have no reasonable expectation of privacy except for what is in your pockets or in your backpack etc.

If you want privacy stay at home.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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Although it may seem overboard to have cameras in places like high schools, in todays world with children killing children it is sometimes necessary. In an effort to protect your right to live, your right to privacy may have to be compromised to keep you safe.



posted on Jan, 23 2005 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by KrazyIvan

Originally posted by para


Since it was a public HS the government does have the right to install videocameras IMO, but I see where you are going with this. It is disconcerting to know that we are being watched all the time, whether we know it or not.




well does anyone actually feel safe in a public school aymore? i graduated in 04 ad i never really felt "safe" at shcool.


I felt just fine at my school. I graduated in '01 and I felt as safe at school as I did in my own house. The only thing to worry about were the "gang bangers" which were 95% white kids who thought they were raised in the ghetto all their life, and they tried to start trouble with everyone. I never had a problem with them being that I kept my mouth shut no matter how ignorant they seemed. Anyhow, I never feared anything in my school because it was safe enough.

Cameras in school are no different than a camera in a grocery store, on an auto lot, or anywhere else in PUBLIC. It's no conspiracy, it really is for your safety. When someone says its for your safety, just because they have more authority than you, DOESNT MEAN ITS A CONSPIRACY. If the government said that camera's were to be installed in every corner of every room of your house, then yes that is an invasion of privacy.

Its been said before, if you don't like the cameras in public, STAY HOME. If you dont' like the cameras protecting you in your school GET HOME SCHOOLED.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by quango

Originally posted by creamsoda
It is in fact an invasion of our privacy to be constantly watched.


So if I sit in the cafeteria and stare at you the whole lunch period, is that an invasion of your privacy, too?



No that is different because you know that person is watching you.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 04:07 AM
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My HS back in the early 90's had cameras everywhere. Of course people had a nasty habit of getting robbed, raped, stabbed, beaten, and once murdered in my HS. Not to mention smoking weed, drinking, and snorting coke in secluded areas and bathrooms. They never put them in the bathrooms though I think. I don't know for sure because in 4 years I think I only them twice.

Anyhow I imagine things have gotten worse since then, at least from some of the stories I hear. We didn't have armed security and metal detectors yet, though that came later. So having cameras could be good or bad, depends on whose watching them and what they are being used for.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 04:44 AM
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Ill agree that some high schools are outta control and should probably have police there to make sure nothing happens, but in my school nothing really bad happens. Except the other day when that guy got arrested for pot. Other then that nothings really happend. So I dont see the need for it in my school. Something has to be done about the violence and criminal things being commited in schools. I just dont think video cameras are the way to do it. They only capture someone after they did something. I think they should make Freshman spend a week in a real prison just so they see what its like. That oughta scare em straight.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 05:54 AM
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I think they are hoping the cameras will prevent crime. Like how there is a camera starring at you when you use the atm, and (at least in my area) cameras that snap a picture if you blow a red light.

Now this is noble in theory but if someone is determined to do something they are going to find a way to do it anyway. The police using radar is supposed to deter speeding, but how many people actually go the speed limit? And how many people still get robbed at the atm or the 7-11 even though the bad guys know theres cameras.

So I don't know if it is really a good thing or if it isn't, but you might as well get used to cameras because they are being used more and more and are going to be everywhere eventually. As far as freshman spending a week in prison, well that would be a little extreme, but I do think kids need to be shown that crime isn't as glamorous as it is made to look in popular culture.

I know alot of people that think having a gang bangin thug, in your face attitude is cool. I'm sure there are lot's of cons locked up who could show them otherwise. Education not observation is the key here, cut the problem off at the root, don't just wait around to dump people in jail once the problem has grown into a crisis.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56

Havign cameras in public places is not part of a slope torwards government ordered cameras in your home. Privacy only exists when you are in private, not when you are wlaking around in the public world.


Then why would I want to walk around in the public if Im just going to be watched by videocamers.

I don't know, why do you go out in public? No one is forcing you, but when you do, you have no legal entitlement to privacy.


abigail
Although it may seem overboard to have cameras in places like high schools

Overboard? Even without school violence it seems like a good idea. Why employ hall monitors and attendants and what not when you can pay a one time fee for cameras and recorders?

your right to privacy may have to be compromised to keep you safe.

No right to privacy is being comprimised, there is no right ot privacy in public places, such as schools. I suppose that stuff on your person is still considered private, so they can't rifle thru your pockets at whim, but watch you? You don't have a right to not be seen, indeed how could you? A camera is just another way of seeing.

croat
No that is different because you know that person is watching you.

It makes no legal difference.


but in my school nothing really bad happens

Look , they replaced your library with a student lounge, of course there's going to be a camera in there. If there wasn't, just think about what you'd do in there. Christ, I know what I'd be doing if I was back in high school. Nice comfy couches, tall stacks of books to hide behind. Mwa hahahaha



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
[Christ, I know what I'dbe doing if I was back in high school. Nice comfy couches, tall stacks of books to hide behind. Mwa hahahaha


That was exactly what I was thinking. It happened in my school in far less comfortable places than a nice cushy lounge. Not that I was involved in any lewd acts of course.



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