We Stopped Beleiving In Witches, When's The Bibles Turn?

ladyv is correct, there are many wiccans in TN. I am in Knoxville, and I know plenty of them. Knoxville is more conservative than Nashville

There ARE places in TN that could be unsafe for a wiccan, or a black person or a Jew for that matter. Heck, you could probably even throw in catholics.

Those places are rather small and closed to outsiders though.

Actually, according to the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Wicca is not a religion, but yet a Cult as well as a member of the Occult, and who do you pray to? It sure is not Jehova.

Ya know...all of this could be solved...from the bible to how this country was not found on Christianity...by people doing the research for themselves instead of arguing and making themselves look ignorant of the facts...it so simple...just go research it...dang people!

This thread gave me a good chuckle or two, I particularly enjoyed the Jeff-masseuse-knots quip.

It is interesting how so many of you jumped on the thread starter and immediately took it that he was insulting witchcraft or your individual faiths. Perhaps his header was too short or not followed by an explanation, but I did not take it as most of you do. In essence he could have asked the proverbial question: we stopped believing in Ra, and Jupiter/Zeus, when will we do the same for The Bible?

I am certain none of you would take offence were it posed that way, and maybe I am incorrect, but that is how I interpret the question, for even the followers of Ra had their own Bible, they just preferred to call it by several names, one being the Book of The Dead, even though it is actually a Book of Life. So, it is a darn good question, why you only need study what we know of ancient history to understand that that question would not have gone over well 5,000 years ago.

Some of the answers are interesting, since the eyewitness accounts to Jesus’ works number at best only three.

As for blaming the country for becoming crime-ridden and awful because people toss aside the teachings, it seems that more than one publicly revered man of God in the country was out and about on Sundays preaching hellfire and brimstone to the masses if they do not stop sinning, awhile they themselves hid their dirty little secrets of sin and corruption.

Anyway my answer is; People will stop believing in religious doctrine when they stop using it as a crutch to keep their evil side from overwhelming their good side. When they come to understand that they hold the power within them to have the good side win. That blaming an evil influence on something called satan acknowledges they have no power of control over themselves, and that means they have no freewill they like to say they were given, and when they stop looking to purge their repeated ungodly deeds by repetitive apology and believing that forgiveness is just that simple. When they conclude that "Thou shalt not kill" and "turn the other cheek" does not exclude death penalties and dropping bombs on foreign soil.

Our country was not founded on the Bible, PERIOD.


our country was founded on the concepts of freedom from political, religious, and economic doctrine. ( taxation without representation, freedom FROM state sponsored religious practice, and the tyranny of King George).

There is NOTHING anywhere to support the statement that the US is founded on the Bible. Read your own history for heavens sake.



as far as the Bible, which version are you using; king james? original hebrew? hebrew after the 10th century upgrades? greek? aramiac? coptic? i can list another 25 versions of Bibles handed down through history.

any one of these Bibles has conflict with the rest...so before anyone gets high and Mighty on the "Word of God " and the terrible consequences of anyone removing or adding to what is written, settle on which Bible you are actually referring too.

Lady V, I do respectfully disagree with you that this country was not founded by Christian men. They did not found it as Christian country. Religious freedom was one in the first amendment

from www.usconstitution.com... :

www.usconstitution.com...

Most of the delegates married and raised children. Sherman fathered the largest family, 15 children by 2 wives. At least nine (Bassett, Brearly, Johnson, Mason, Paterson, Charles Cotesworth, Pinckney, Sherman, Wilson, and Wythe) married more than once. Four (Baldwin, Gilman, Jenifer, and Alexander Martin) were lifelong bachelors.

In terms of religious affiliation, the men mirrored the overwhelmingly Protestant character of American religious life at the time and were members of various denominations. Only two, Carroll and Fitzsimons, were Roman Catholics.

[edit on 1/23/2005 by llpoolej]

Originally posted by llpoolej
Lady V, I do respectfully disagree with you that this country was not founded by Christian men. They did not found it as Christian country. Religious freedom was one in the first amendment

That's certainly your prerogative

www.nobeliefs.com...

majikthise.typepad.com...


Whole we're at, we can argue this too

Between 1924 and 1954, the Pledge of Allegiance was worded:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, during the McCarthy era and communism scare, Congress passed a bill, which was signed into law, to add the words "under God." The current Pledge reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."





[edit on 1/23/2005 by LadyV]

Problem is, when you cite very biased links, you are going to come out with biased information. I purposefully did NOT use a Christian site as they are going to really slant it. Magick sites and atheist sites will do the same.

Research is one thing, reading literature with a bias does nothing to educate, but does help to prove your point

If you can find an UNBIASED site or piece of work(aka not Christian, Muslim, no religion, wiccan, Majick, ect; ) to support that the founding fathers were atheists, I am more than happy to look at it with an open mind.

[edit on 1/23/2005 by llpoolej]

In all fairness, there are SOME Christian principles in which this country was based on. Slavery and subjugation of women, for example.

How can you site biased links, when the bible is biased towards god? It is a book of god propaganga.

If witchcraft is bad in the eyes of God, why is that? The bible warns to stay away from witchcraft and sorcerery and other forms of the occult. But think about it, the bible is the word of God. If God didn't personally write it, then the bible was "channeled" from a higher source, what is channeling? The bible considers it sorcerery. So....make sense of that...

Its cool that the bible contradicts itself. So actually it could have been witches that wrote the bible.

I also had another thread talking about how The main religions of the world were actually just cults that caught on. Once enough people joined the Christian cult, it became a religion.

I dont' know, I just woke up, so my mind is everywhere.

Like LadyV said, citing bible verses to someone who doesn't believe it, is not going to prove your point. I don't have all the answers. Heck, I don't even have all the questions.

All I am saying is if you are trying to prove a point, citing a link that is from a skewed perspective(and this is in any topic) is just reciting a bias. The US constitution link I used was not biased toward religion of any kind. I think that one paragraph was all that was said about religion. It is a fact based look at the constitution.

Heck, If I cited a Christian's view on it, it would be much much different. When seeking truth, one must look outside ones peers.

Well here are a couple of links and book references....really all you have to do is a search and you'll hit many reputable historical sites to validate this...it's just plain history

www.ushistory.org...

www.virginiaplaces.org...


1) The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pg. 8, 9 (republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)
2) George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., pg. 16, 87, 88, 108, 113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas TX)
3) The Character of John Adams by Peter Shaw, Pg. 17 (1976, North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill NC)
4) John Adams, a Biography in His Own Words, edited by James Peabody, pg. 403 (1973, Newsweek, New York, NY) quoting letter by JA to Jefferson April 19, 1817
5) Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pg. 311 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham MD) quoting letter by TJ to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse June 26, 1811
6) Thomas Jefferson, An Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie pg. 453 (1974, W. W. Norton & Co. Inc., New York, NY) quoting letter by TJ to Alexander Smyth Jan. 17, 1825
7) Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pg. 246 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham MD_ quoting letter by TJ to John Adams July 5, 1814
8) The Madisons by Virginia Moore, pg. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill CO., New York NY) quoting letter by JM to William Bradford April 1, 1774
9) James Madison, a Biography in His Own Words, edited by Joseph Gardner, pg. 93 (1974, Newsweek, New York NY) quoting Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by JM June 1785
10) Religion of the American Enlightenment by G. Adolf Koch, pg. 40 (1968, Thomas Crowell Co., New York NY) quoting preface and pg. 352 of Reason, the Only Oracle of Man by EA 1784
11) A Sense of History compiled by American Heritage Press Inc., pg. 103 (1985, American Heritage Press Inc., New York, NY
12) Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in His Own Words edited by Thomas Fleming, pg. 404 (1972, Newsweek, New York NY) quoting letter by BF to Ezra Stiles March 9, 1790

This is just a good interesting site to me
www.sullivan-county.com...

I think that some of you need to quickly accept your role in life.

You can state your disagreement with other people's religious beliefs. You have every right to do that. You can prefer you belief to someone else's. You have every right to do that too.

What you can not do is call other people's beliefs inferior and insult them. You are nothing special, newsflash. We are all equal here. We are all people, with our own opinions and beliefs. For anyone here to think that their opinion is more "important" or more "correct" or to take it upon themselves to insult or mock someone else's religious beliefs shows me that the person is indeed lower than dirt.

Just who the hell do any of you think you are to be doing this? You don't like Christians? That's fine. But how dare you insult someone just for being Christian and for believing in that. Same goes for Wiccans. Who the hell are you to call them a cult etc. This is what they believe in.

If you want to worship a log in your backyard more power to you, I won't make fun of your belief. I might find it weird. I might not be familiar with anything like it, but I won't insult you and try to take away your right to worship that log.

You need to wake up now. You need to understand that if you want to have a real debate about religion you need to learn how to speak like a human, not a brainless chimp.

A correct argument would be something like "I disagree with Christian beliefs and let me tell you why." And you phrase an argument. Not "All Christians are stupid because they believe in fairy tales". What the hell is that? Is that how you progress through life? Speaking like that to others? Do you have employment? If so, I'd love to know how.

Speak in a civilized way to other people. That goes for everyone. You have no right to make fun of what someone grew up believing. That is a powerful insult no member here deserves. If you want a discussion, great. If you want to use this board as an outlet for your single channel hateful beliefs, find somewhere else to go.

[edit on 1-23-2005 by Djarums]

Keep on expecting an apology. I make no apologies, we wonder why our kids are taking guns to school, why they are turning to drugs, homosexuality, and violence. We as a whole society have began making excuses for everything we and our kids do. What kind of message does that send to our kids? Everytime a child acts out in a rage or a different way than he or she is supposed to, we slap a title on what they did and we're done with it. Names like, Terets, OCD, ADHD, for grown ups there are ones like Post partem depression, post Tramatic Stress Disorder.
Don't get me wrong, I realize that people can suffer from these things, but regardless we are still responsible for our own actions. There is a such thing as just a child with a bad attitude that needs a rod across his behind. Look at the facts and stop trying to take Godly Christian teachings away from our Children and get back to teaching them that things like Witchcraft and Homosexuality and premarital sex, and pornography are wrong, and stop demanding apologies from those of us that tell you that you are wrong.

Those are not Christian principles. Involuntary slavery is wrong. Separating women is not wrong however. Women are not equal to men on some levels. Women are just as equal to men mentally, probably more so emotionally, but not physically. That is not a bad thing, I love the fact that my wife is not equal physically. Doesn't mean that she is less of a person than I, just different.

Who the hell said that Christians are stupid for beleiving in fairy tales?

I said that the bible is a fiary tale, But I didn't call anyone stupid. If someone Insulted me, I Insulted back. I am just merely putting my perspevtive out there, while the wiccans, the christians, the whoever it doesn't matter. Everyone is just stating there outlook, but people tend to attack the wiccans. Dunno why?

The insults I've seen have all been coming from the Christians. Everyone beleives that their religion is the correct one. But from what I've seen the wiccans are the most mellow on this bored. They aren't ranting or hurling insults, they are merely pointing things out and posting links on there religion.

Still alittle tired, brain is somewhat trying to function.

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[edit on 23-1-2005 by _BLiND_]

Give me a break,,,,, pick one side of the fence or the other. Stradling the fence like you are doing is far more dangerous than being atheist.

You are wrong in that statement,,,,, we have been tought since kindergarten that our country was formed to get away from the Roman Catholic Church and still worship GOD. Get it straight

Originally posted by deesw
You are wrong in that statement,,,,, we have been tought since kindergarten that our country was formed to get away from the Roman Catholic Church and still worship GOD. Get it straight

Much of what is taught in the school system is wrong...research this for yourself....you don't have to listen to other....research it!

The Bible never says that GOD channeled anything to anyone. GOD is a live being, as is his son. Mediums talk to dead beings