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We Stopped Beleiving In Witches, When's The Bibles Turn?

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posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 07:41 PM
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witches do not believe in satan, satan is a christian creation. Witches do not have a satan, they have Hurn and Goddess, no satan, no demons, no evil. Witches do exist and did exist, if they hadn't I doubt we would be alive today. They were the first DOCTORS, PHARMACISTS, NURSES, MIDWIFE, and even the first SHRINKS! They healed people even when others were out to kill them.

And again, WHAT IS BUNNY HUGGING! And no insults from me, yet, unless he is attacking my bunny with the term bunny hugging.


So you are saying that witches only believe in good? Good and bad are a comparison of each other, you can't have good without bad, ritcheous without evil.
Bunny Hugging is just a simple term refering to animal rights activists. Not a put down or anything. I promise you I'm not attacking you with that statement.




posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 07:50 PM
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Wiccans DO NOT sacrifice anything. If however i was ever to take up the practice i can assure you that you would be on the short list right up there with David Duke .
and people wonder why so many Romans cheered the Lions.


I was being calm for a change,,,,, but you stepped over the line,,,, you can say all the dumb retarded things like sacrificing me all that you want. If it makes you feel better about your souls eternal damnation then so be it.
The fact remains that Witchcraft is not of GOD therefore it is of Satan.
When it is all said and done, when the demons that you think you control now, what are you gonna do when they come for your soul? To quote a very Godly man,,,,, " which montra, which incantation are you goona chant to tell them to leave you alone?",,,,, "I know beyond the shadow of a doubt what I would say,,,, I am born with the blood of Jesus let me GO!!! "



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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deesw..No, Witches do not sacrifice anything...we have an affinity with nature. Yes, there are bad witches, just as there are bad Christians, Jews, & Muslims...there is good and bad in all things. Witches are not of evil, but some witches do evil things just like there are Christians, Jews, & Muslims that do evil things. I wish you would research a bit and learn...Wicca is a very gentle, nature religion. As to animals...yes, I am an animal fanatic, no doubt about it. I belong to many animals advocate groups, earn my living working with animals....I understand them....they need us, but that's a whole other thread
The thing is, you have to learn that just because a person is not a Christian, doesn't make them bad, or evil..... So...Lets start with what witches ARE NOT! We are not evil! We have NOTHING to with Satan, or any other negative energy force, an we DO NOT sacrifice anything, the thought of killing something makes me physically ill!! One of the rules/laws of Wicca that we adhere to, that we live by, is the Three fold law of the universe: What ever energy you send out, good or bad, WILL return to you, three fold! You've heard this before, phrased as, "what goes around, comes around". A short version of, "The Wiccan Rede":

Bide the Wiccan Law ye must.
In perfect love, in perfect trust.
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill,
An it harm none, do what ye will.
And ever mind the Law of Three
What you send out comes back to thee.
Follow this in mind and heart,
Merry Meet and Merry Part.
We do not harm anything....it is against out faith to even harm ourselves.....for whatever we do, will come back to us three or nine fold

Below is a copy of something off my web page so while it is a copy and paste....it is a copy and paste of my own writing.....I have posted it before

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A WITCH?
I had to add this page to my site because I keep coming across people who tell me they want to be a witch because they want to be able "cast spells" or make someone "love" them or they want to be "special" or "impress" someone. This type of talk upsets me, really bothers my husband (also a witch), and annoys other witches as well!
So what is it "to be a witch"? Well, for starters, it is a way of life, a state of being. It is who and what you are. It is not about making someone love you, running around saying, "I'm A Witch", or trying to prove to people that your something "special". Being a witch is something within you. You breath it, dream it, you live it! To be a witch means in part, that you have taken responsibility for your own life and many of the things that surround that life.To be a witch, is to be a part of all that surrounds you, of the creatures that you share your world with. It is to be one with all things of nature; the trees, the sky, the earth, the oceans. To feel with them and to understand that you are connected with all things, "as above, so below" all things are tied together within our world. What you do to "it/them" you also do to "yourself/us". To understand and live this...is to be a witch.
To be a witch, is to have respect for all of nature. It is to hear her cry in the storms or her laughter on a warm breeze. It is to understand and feel the unseen world around you. The world that is always there, hidden to those that choose not to see it.
To be a witch is also to understand that we can change the energies around us through the use of our own energies to bring about the desired end result. It is to understand the power of prayer...YES we pray, probably more than most religions. Who do we pry to? Well, that depends on the witch. I personally pray to the "The Lord and Lady" , the mother earth and our father who is in the heavens, for there is both male and female.
In being a Witch, we acknowledge there or other beings, we do not worship any entity as superior, and though we may recognize the existence of other entities , we believe in the equality of all beings in the Universe, seeing them as different, separate, but never superior or inferior. We may call the Goddess and the God as representatives of the creative force of the Universe, but will usually call on other spirits as well, each being seen as a separate and equal entity. We believe there is a Spirit World or Other World where these other entities reside. Most do not see this as actually separate from this world, but rather a part of it that is usually unseen. Thus, the spirits who are contacted during ritual are already there but may be conjured or evoked to facilitate communication.

WHAT IT DOES NOT MEAN TO BE A WITCH
Being a witch does not mean that we are special, on the contrary, we are like everyone else, We get married, have children, wreck the car, have disagreements, get depressed, get fired, have insecurities, argue with the neighbors, love our families, and adore our pets. In other words we have all the same ups and downs that anyone else does. The difference is, we understand the laws of the universe that throw these happenings upon us, we understand the laws of cause and effect.We do not sacrifice anything, human or animal. We do not worship a devil or Satan. We do however, understand that the universe is and has to be both negative and positive, male and female in order for it to flow at an even keel!
We do not get angry and cast spells or hexes on others due to the fact the we practice responsibility, and ethics, and while the "Rule of Three" is a "Wiccan" rule, most Witches do believe in the old adage, "What goes Around, Comes Around". Being a witch is not like The Craft, The Witches Of Eastwick, or Sabrina. It is nothing like Hollywood portrays it to be. Our Pentagram/pentacle IS NOT used upside down (inverted), but only right side up The inverted pentagram is used to represent Christianities Satan. WE DO NOT USE AN INVERTED PENTAGRAM. 

I hope this has helped you some..if not, I do not what else to do nor will I try..I've done all I can



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:16 PM
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How were you born with the blood of jesus? I mean... I dont beleive he had direct descendants...And yeah it probably is a metaphor, but still.

Wiccans toying with demons? I dont know much about their religion but I know it has alot to do with nature, the spirits of animals and such. Not with necromancy. Maybe you should stop looking at witches frmom the 1800's and actually take alook at the wiccan religion.

Bunny Hugging? ... It means stop sugar coating it, and say what you have on your mind and stop trying to be so nice.

OH and deews, i remember you argueing against witches, then once LadyV pointed out,,,,(or something else) that they were hte first medics. alchemists, etc. Did that strike a chord? Because your deminor has changed towards them very slightly.

[edit on 24-1-2005 by _BLiND_]



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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When the Bible is looked at with a critical eye, it is because of the many fallacies surrounding it, and the unsustainable standard built up around it.

Many of the Fables in the Bible are copies from earlier Phoenician and Summerian stories. This is a Historical fact, and cannot be changed by your faith, The facts have Nothing to do with your faith.The Epic Of Gilgamesh is 1800 years older than the story of Noah, and is where the old testament writers copied the storyline. You can research this, or you can study a university level comparative religions course. (the teaching company offers a excellent course on DVD. WWW.theteachingcompany.com)

Not only is Noah a Copy of earlier stories, but Adam and Eve, the tower of Babel, many stem from stories thousands of years older. These are Facts, not subject to your beliefs interpretation.

Revelation is taken from the sybilline prophecies, which were written 800 years before Jesus walked the earth. this is a fact, not subject to any televangelist ranting otherwise. This book has resulted in more fear of God than any other single writing. God is Not Fear, God is Divine Love.


Every time someone states that homosexuality is a terrible sin, they forget to mention the preceeding verses, which states touching skin of dead pigs, planting disimalar crops, your wife entering the house on her period, are all sins of same or greater severity. But, those verses would never be accepted by the public. Your faith is blinding you, and allowing some very shrewd religious and political leaders to take full advantage of your blindness.


ANd i would truly like someone to address why there is such a tiny amount of information regarding God incarnate, Jesus. We have entire books rambling about linneage, the annihilation of peoples, out of place stories and parables. But, the Salvation represented by Jesus, we have a few pages, and 18 years completely missing. Utterly ridiculous.



A witch....Jesus and his followers were called far worse, and were killed for their beliefs, just like millions in the 2 thousand years that followed. Remember that the next time you come across someone that does not share your beliefs. We are not to judge, Period.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:27 PM
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Uh, witches don't have demons... Demons, satan, the devil, they are all christian bs. Do you know what satan looks like? It tells you in the bible what he looks like, but I bet you beliee the bs the church said and not the bible.

Witches do not sacrifice anything, that is satanism, a branch of christianity.(no christianity, no satan, satan is a christian deity) Hell, the ones I know have to say a prayer when using plants in medicine for they are using the life force of the plant. Also, there is no hell to a witch, so how can they believe in satan? How do I know so much? No, not a witch, my mother is though. But by your logic I must be a witch, I defend them.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:37 PM
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You are seriously and sadly mistaken about that. I'd like to know where you got such inaccurate information. Again you all can say what you will reguarding GOD and his holy scriptures, but when it all boils down to it you can still be reassured that there can be no entrance into heaven without Jesus.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by deesw
Again you all can say what you will reguarding GOD and his holy scriptures, but when it all boils down to it you can still be reassured that there can be no entrance into heaven without Jesus.

But your still not getting it. This is what you believe....but it does not mean it is the truth........it is what you believe is the truth....surely when you joined a sire such as this, you expected this.

[edit on 1/24/2005 by LadyV]



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:44 PM
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Your ignorance of the Bible is blinding you. The laws you just refered to were old testament laws. There are references in the new testament that clearly define marriage as being between 1 man and 1 woman, and sex between two men, and between 2 women is wrong and an abomination. It's a biological fact that mens bodies are not made for each other, as womens are not for each other. Homosexuality is a mental choice, not a physical inheritance at birth. God created noone to be homosexual, they all choose to be. As for a woman on her period,,,,,, any doctor will still tell you to this day that it is unclean and not good for the woman. It's not just biblical, but sanitary as well.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:46 PM
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No you're not getting it,,,,, God is truth. You have to answer for your sins as do I. Yes denial of God is a sin.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:49 PM
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deesw,

Do you know how to use the quote button? It would help if you used it so that we may know who it is that you are quoting and responding to.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by deesw
No you're not getting it,,,,, God is truth. You have to answer for your sins as do I. Yes denial of God is a sin.


No...this is what you believe and what you think....and that does not mean it's true....it's something that can not be proven



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:12 PM
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well, that is your right to believe. You stay on your side of the fence and we will get along just fine.


Its when people with self righteousness believe they can dictate the truth, and interpret what God intends for us, that there is going to be trouble. Jesus did not pretend to understand what Gods plan was, but people flipping through the bible are somehow enlightened? Most people dont even know the History of the Bible, or Popes that burned copies of competing Bibles, and destroyed Books that contradicted the authority of the Church. But these same people are somehow illuminated by the spirit of God to go out and convert , and condemn those they cannot convert.

This is not what is Taught, nor is it Divine. It is Ego, Pride, and religious gluttony.



You can believe anything you wish too, this is the principle this country was founded upon, Freedom from Religious persecution. Just dont tell others what to believe unless your prepared to defend your faith as well.

Jesus was a Scholar before he was anything else. There is great teaching in that alone, Educating yourself is not a Sin. Learning where things come from and why, is how you reinforce and understand your faith.


For reference;
The Epic of Gilgamesh is written in tablets, found in the sumerian desert. They are dated to 1800 years before Noah would have lived.
The Bible (KJV) underwent hundreds of revisions, updates, translations, books removed, added, and it is probable that Sir Francis Bacon wrote ( translated) much of the King James Version of the Bible as a favor to the Royal Court. There are roughly 100 versions (popular) of the Bible in use today, all over the world. Lessor known versions run in the thousands, nobody truly knows.



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:24 PM
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Good point toolmaker, but to take it alittle farther.

If there is 1 true faith, why would there be so many variations of the bible? To me, there are different variations of the bible to better suit whatever purpose they are being used for. The church is a business, different variations of the bible equals more customers persay. Customers is used lightly, couldnt think of the right word.

New testimate vs Old for example, it was just changed so it would fit societies morals, not because it was the true word of God...changed so it wouldnt be forgotten and dismissed.

HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



[edit on 24-1-2005 by _BLiND_]



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 12:33 AM
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Again deesw, as LadyV has said, that is what you believe. And again, the bible is not all knowing, it is paper, written by man. How do you know they were instructed by god? cause it says so? Well gee, that's pretty convienant, isn't it? I can write a book that says it was written by god, the proof? It is written in the book saying it was. I swear, do some people not think about such things? Why is the bible correct when almost everything is bull/proven false? Cause it says so, in the bible. WTF? I am correct, cause I say so, how can I prove I am correct? Cause I said so. How does that sound? Same thing with the bible. Also, as mentioned, all the stories come from past religons/faiths. Son of god? Zues and hercules sound familiar? Hell, Zeus had a ton of sons. Flood? Zeus did that to, and Gilgamesh.

And again, the bible is edited, heavily. Entire books are left out. And guess what? One bible edited by this company says this, this one says that. Some have extra lines in them, some don't.

Edit, have 5 people vs 1. And the 5 are losing cause while they know things, have done research, and actually looked outside of the bible for the truth, they don't have blind faith. Hell, a blind man has better eyesite then this guy.

[edit on 25-1-2005 by James the Lesser]



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 12:44 AM
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A few threads later I make it back:


Stalkingwolf

ME- we stopped believing in Ra, and Jupiter/Zeus
You- please define who you mean by "WE'
The proverbial we, as in we from long ago.


Stalkingwolf

ME- Some of the answers are interesting, since the eyewitness accounts to Jesus’ works number at best only three.
You- please provide these eyewitness accounts.
Be careful to read what is written, it says "at best" and at best is Matthew, Mark and John. For now, giving those three some mileage, there are no other eyewitnesses to Jesus accepted as canon. Now if you disagree with the canon, then you can take that up with those who argue the divine inspiration of the NT.


deesw:You are another one on here that needs to get your business straight with GOD and then get your facts straight. You can not compare the happenings of the Bible with the workings of a witch. Take a stand all you want, that's great.
I dare say, another one? My I guess I should feel reprimanded by Azazel. I would rather have at least an attempt at an intelligent response to my question: was the man dead or alive? It was not a difficult question posed to a man of the robes was it? Rather than that embarrassment I call an evasive answer, I would appreciate a direct response, and thank you in advance. So then, do you care to actually test your mental acuity instead of your cliche ability? Failing a direct response to my question tells me that you concede to that which you cannot intelligently counter and have been stymied.



deesw: Your ignorance of the Bible is blinding you.
Odd, I see it and actually know it to be so that it is yours blinding you.


[edit on 1/25/05 by SomewhereinBetween]



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 12:45 AM
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What is Religion but a fable agreed upon?
Napoleon

The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.
Friedrich Nietzsche

But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?
Mark Twain

We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.
Jonathan Swift

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.
Dalai Lama

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei

"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." - Voltaire



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 02:06 AM
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It is funny, how some people cannot even open their mind to the possibility that God doesnt exist.

You beleive in the bible, why? Because you have ran out of other ideas to get yourself out of a situation? Because you like being told what is right and wrong, by a preisthood that malests children? They must have succumbed to Satan. What a cop out. They are perverts, nothing more, nothing less. (Not all priests are like this mind you)

You are so blinded by your book, you cannot even open your mind one little bit to see the world differently. Denial of God a sin, big deal, go to bed and say a prayer, boom back in his good book.

How does it make sense to fear God, he is supposedly a god of love and kindess, yet in all the stories of the bible he is killing masses upon masses of people. Thats a God I want to meet
.

Think about all the things God has done to humanity (theorectically, since he doesnt exist) Now why would a God of love do this? There is no reason. Now satan, there is an evil genious
who is to say that he didn't re-write the bible himself, and you think you are worshipping God, but your actually worshipping Him.
I mean look at what god has done.



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 05:16 AM
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Surely Deesw is having a laugh. Someone please tell me he is taking the piss, ignorance of such levels cannot possibly exist... can it?



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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Hmmm, god smites everyone, satan says hey, have fun! How many people has satan killed? Read the bible, god "smites" millions of people, hell, he murders everyone but Noah and freinds in one storm. Satan? Read the bible, he has killed...... no one. Only reason he is "evil" is that he, like many people, wanted to live, have free will, think, not be a slave! How is satan evil? Read the freaking book, satan fights against his oppressor, he fights against his master, he fights so he can be more then a slave to a man who literally, according to the bible, wiped out the entire planet of life except Noah and freinds, killed the first born because one guy said no, killed a mans family, freinds, workers, and livestock to prove that his ego was bigger, and satan? Nothing....

Also, I know from South Park, but still. "There would be no good without evil, so it must be good to be evil sometimes." Satan

And again, how do you know the bible is correct? Cause the bible says so? WTF! It amazes a man to see such, uh, well, "logic". I am correct cause I say so. How can I prove it? I said so. How does that work? Fine, using his logic, he has to believe everything I say cause I said it and I can prove it by saying it. So I am your new god, why? Cause I said so. How can I prove it? Cause I SAID SO! Hahahahaha, man, I like this way of thinking, even if wrong still right cause I said I was right. I could never lose on Jeporady! What is 3? What? It's not wrong, it is right, cause I said so! So I win that question next.... What is 3? Cause I said so! Damn, wonder if I can get away with that, the bible does.



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