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originally posted by: randomthoughts12
a reply to: DJDigitalGem
Unless you are dying or have cancer you have no reason on some of these meds.
The city of Lincoln Park is only 6 square miles and has 40,000 residents. But the fire department said they respond to up to six heroin calls per day.
originally posted by: ketsuko
You get prescribed those things, but no one forces you to take them.
I know I am going to get blasted by people saying that you need them for pain control and some people do need pain control. But I also think a lot of people never fully test the limits of what they can endure and take pills expecting a painless existence too.
I have a condition that responds to pain killers by producing more pain, so they simply aren't a very good option for me except in very limited quantity for very serious pain - say like after my C-section - and even then, I wait until I am almost beyond endurance before I take one because I know the feedback loop I am tempting with any painkiller.
Right now, I am typing this with a decent degree of nerve pain shooting down my left arm and into my wrist from a bone spur in my neck putting pressure on the nerve. I can deal. The alternative is worse.
But not many people are in my position, so they take the pain pills right away because it makes them feel good, and after a while, they get hooked. How many test their limits or use what they're given sparingly and only in emergencies? And how many really are in a position where they verifiably do need that pain medication all the time, and if they are in that spot, is the idea of addiction that horrible for them?
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originally posted by: crankyoldman
This needs to be said on this topic because it relates to all over topics of this nature.
It does NOT matter whether kratom kills everyone who consumes it or whether is makes people love each other. Every time an event like this happens people ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS ask the wrong questions and make the wrong pleas.
The question of kratom use being safe if #$%^ irrelevant and everyone who starts off the discussion of this topic with "many people" or "my friend" or "we need more time to study" works for the drug folks by asking the wrong questions and keeps things in place.
There is only ONE correct question. What gives the DEA JURISDICTION over anything at all? Damn it! People just don't get it. Vioxx was APPROVED by the FDA and I assume the DEA and it KILLED PEOPLE based on fraud - they knew it killed people and it could be argued that the death of tens of thousands was planned in the approval process (another story). Vioxx is a horrifying example of why people fail to see the system isn't about protection.
So never start the conversation about these matter using safety as an issue. The DEA is not a safety company. I'll say it again, the DEA is Not A SAFETY COMPANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The DEA IS AN ARMY! Army, Marines, Navy.... DEA!
The DEA was created as the DRUG ARMY in the "declared war on drugs" which is one of two active declared wars in the US. The DEA has the rights of the ARMY and can "kill" "confiscate" and "classify" because it is AT WAR WITH YOU PERSONALLY you knuckleheads. If the war on drugs ends today, the DEA goes out of business tomorrow. In fact, the DEA operates all over the world because it is at war, so ending the declaration of war will help the world.
Challenge the jurisdiction. Stop whining about safety..., and my friends..., and its all about big pharma... It is about JURISDICTION, what gives the DEA the right to do a damn thing at all? Since when is the DEA a safety organization and concerned about human lives? They are not!
There should be not one other type of reply in this or any other thread about Kratom that isn't simply "what gives the DEA the right to rule over anything at all since they have no labs, they have no official vetting process and their mandate comes from the guns they get as a result of a declaration of war." This should be the only statement ever made from now on: JURISDICTION! You start asking questions about jurisdiction and people will run for cover, you'll get what you want without issue because if people finally see "the war on drugs" is an ACTUAL DECLARED WAR, and the rules of war apply, then things make sense.
Fact: Accused of bank embezzlement? They'll need a warrant, and due process to arrest you. Accused of selling pot, they can take your pot, take your money, take your house, take your children and KILL you without as much as a court date. Why? A DECLARED WAR that's why! Rules of war apply to drugs, but not bank fraud, or car theft, or murder. Due process is suspended in times of war, war on drugs, get it, get it, it is right in front you, in plain sight.