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The Myth That Success Is Unearned

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posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Capitalism was useful to free us from feudalism, socialism will free us from capitalism and communism will free us from socialism.

The material rewards you and most people see today as the indicators of success will obviously end as societies evolve and find more efficient ways to produce and distribute.

Will be simply ridiculous and even outrageous for someone to accumulate anything material.

Think of tibetan monks, some of them are more successful than others but has that anything to do with material crap?




posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Large multi-conglomerate billions of dollar per quarter profit corporations paying their share? No they are not, they are taking those profits and buying all competition out for a monopoly and then fixing the economy and creating bubbles in too big to fail to where all the tax payers end up bailing them out... then what do they do? Write the losses off in taxes for a double dip getting bailed out again.

That's why the US has eaten sh-t and people are tired of that same old sandwich unless of course they are on the take as in robbing everyone blind.
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posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

It's not that success is unearned, it's that you don't succeed on your own. The successful individual is the least important component in that success. If someone gets into the top 1% of income earners it's great for them, but if they don't someone else would be in that top 1% instead, perhaps through different work... but they would be there.

A successful business is built on customers, and only some of your customers are going to be wealthy patrons. It will vary from business to business, but a lot of your customers are going to be ordinary people of average to below average means that want your product. Those people are important because even if they're not your big customers, they're the ones who create your reputation that bring in the big customers.

This means that while you have to work to make your business successful, it's actually society who comes to your business and gives you money that enables the chance to succeed.

This goes further down the line too, in order to build that business you probably needed mentors, generally people who taught you a craft. Whether that's college professors or coworkers, it's highly unlikely you derived the field you're working in, which means you were taught. The quality of those instructors determines your success. Without good instructors you won't be good enough in your field to make a successful business.

Success is about 20% luck, 20% opportunity, 50% society, and 10% effort.

As far as money as a motivating factor goes. That's simply not true. Higher wages are used as a way to ensure the wealthy always get their product. Supply and demand can still exist in a wage freeze situation. When there's more demand than the supply allows, products get rationed. If someone wants to make more money, they will work longer hours to fill that supply. Increasing the price is merely a way to some to short cut that rationing system and get the product sooner, at the expense of others getting it later. It's outside the scope of my argument to say if that's a good or a bad thing, only to say that the way your article proposes isn't the only way, and until very recently (



posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 11:26 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: SprocketUK

I have been looking int a three D printer service. Not telling them what it is and then I might be able to get local steel manufacturing company to make a template for mass production. But I need some different sizes for different machines that my product will help. These are found in every Home. If I were to put one of these in one third of the American homes I would be a multi-millionaire.


I know a little bit about 3d printing, if you have some questions on the process I might be able to answer them for you, just ask in a PM.



posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 11:35 PM
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3D? Shapeways... you just provide the plans pricing and material wanted for it to be made from. They will make it pack it and ship it for a percentage and give you a virtual store front.

No need to reinvent the wheel in the old tons of overhead... just ideas these days unless you like the artisan side of things and DIY ethic.


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posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

People measure success differently. Wealth is a dream of many people, but I don't think extreme wealth is what most people want, they just want financial security and we definitely don't have that in this day and age. You don't have to have the wealth of JP Morgan or Bill Gates to be successful. Lots of people are perfectly content at middle class, if middle class still meant what it used to. A home, maybe a nicer home later in life, college for children, a retirement portfolio, health coverage, vacation, and a stable employment situation where they worked 35-40 hours a week. Probably a spouse, and some kids too... lots of people like having a family

Most people would be pretty content with that. That's not what we have today though, again due to wealth inequality. The bottom 50% own 0.5% of the wealth in the country, that's everyone from the median wage and down. It's quite simply not fair.



posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
actually the gap between the 1% and the rest has always been there is is not growing it has always been the same.

the only time it was on the lowering was in the 50' and 60's and that came to an end because the Elite didn't want any more to come into their ranks. Funny how rude and self serving movie stars can come in but not the hard working poor who have managed to raise themselves up.


Gaps have always existed, since the 80's though the gap has grown at a much larger rate.



posted on Sep, 17 2016 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
All men are not created equal. They should receive equal treatment under the law however.


Should they? Would it not make more sense to look at those who were created with a little bit extra and hold them to a higher standard since they're going to do have more expectations on them in life?

Just as we say it's fair for someone who was born intelligent, went to good schools, and works hard to get a good job with a lot of responsibility for them to earn more money than the person whose a cashier at McDonalds. Wouldn't it make sense of the legal system also recognized that distinction and said the more successful person not only have more alternatives to not breaking the law, but should have had better judgment in not doing so?

Many societies in the past used that standard. Something that wouldn't even be worthy of a charge for a peasant like public urination would be heavy fines, jail, and potentially even death for a member of the aristocracy.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Yup... It is a careful what you wish for... family and friends cease to be friends, because you're not what they expected any more and turn into expecting something else from you. Then when you can't live and make their dreams and wants and needs come true without going back to where you started from broke trying too, or you can end up being surrounded by strangers wanting the same thing... ending up alone trapped in your own ivory tower, being judged by everyone over every single little thing you do or don't do.

It's a curious thing and it takes a lot of strength to hold such a thing with grace and dignity, and not lose one's view of humanity. This is why people tend to stick to what they know or get scared of success because it comes with a lot of things unexpected or no one tells you about... and it can leave you in a much worse place than where you were wanting to be without integrity even is that is just one's own but that takes honesty in all you do not just in one's work.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 12:31 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan
Interesting point. However doesn't that sort of come down to "the more you have, the more you have to lose"?

It all really comes down to opinion and my opinion is just as irrelevant as the next person's however I would prefer that all people are treated equally under the law.

Which isn't really the case now anyway. A jaywalking fine will impact me more than it will Bill Gates.
It just comes down to the fact that the world isn't fair, we should however try our best to make things as fair as they can be but there are limits.

As much as I enjoy complaining about the rich, there's people who can't get clean drinking water that look at me the same as I look at Bill Gates. I'm not doing anything for the Ethiopians so it seems a little hypocritical of me to expect handouts from those higher on the success scale than I am.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 12:47 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Well, whats Ethiopia doing for Ethiopians? It may look different because of what you said... but essentially the same thing.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 01:02 AM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness
No idea, in fact I spoke to an Ethiopian recently who's annoyed that everyone here thinks it's all famine and pestilence. All I know of Ethiopia I learnt from telethons basically.

There's limits to what we can achieve I think is the basic point.
And to steal from the Lizard King, just as "Freedom exists in a schoolbook" so does fairness.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

It's the stereotype yes and sadly it's why many people here seem to avoid Ethiopian restaurants here in the US so they wont feel guilty from that stereotype like they will be taking food away from Ethiopians... I can say this though, the food is fantastic and typically comes on a very large piece of bread similar to a very large pancake but has a mushroom flavor to it that you tear off and use as utensils if you wish to eat it traditionally.

But the real point was all countries have this class-ism from their governments... in some of them when the bottom gets riled up the finger gets pointed at another country... the US has been doing the same thing as an excuse to get into the middle Easts business for nearly two decades now... spreading country by country as it seems they are destabilizing one right after the other... so in order to bring stabilization and to protect human rights with the aid of other UN countries the economies of many places have gone haywire.

So in a war economy for nearly two decades now the oil stocks the war bonds and stocks have been steady, the stock up on this that and the other have been steady for the worst case scenario SHTF mode and using belief as an excuse to say all of this is meant to happen instead of living in paranoid survival mode to where nearly everyone has been at each others throats in blame and finger pointing instead of becoming the change or solution the world needs.

As long as money is constantly shifted into those areas and remain profitable it will continue... and that's the business as usual I was talking about. We shouldn't be making war business as usual for any excuse... but looking for and pointing at solutions instead of each other, no matter where in the world that is.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 04:57 AM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I'll have to give it a try.

Yeah, I'm not really sure if the problem is fixable.
People will always look out for themselves first, and whilst I like to think if I was in power I would change things.

The reality is everyone has their price, and the reason we are the top of the food chain isn't because of our compassion.

Until we reach a point as a society where it is in our own self interest to help others before ourselves the injustice will continue. Not really sure if we can get past that paradox.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

That's why I say be the change you want to see. It's just as easy to point to a solution as it is to point a finger at a problem people already know... not very difficult to implement such a thing, of course one takes knowledge and the other takes ignorance... if someone has no solution best to stay silent and study the problem instead of being part of it. High road or low road not a difficult choice.

I hope you enjoy the food when you find the chance. It's one thing that all culture can share peacefully together throughout all time... whether that's because their mouths are finally occupied with something good? Who's to say...




posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 05:09 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar



The reality is everyone has their price, and the reason we are the top of the food chain isn't because of our compassion.


I do not agree. There are souls that cannot be bought by greed since they can see the suffering on the other side the greed creates and cannot justify the behavior.




posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

We aren't the top of the food chain because of selfishness or greed either.

The traits that put us there are cooperation and adaptability. If greed and selfishness were our primary modus operandi we'd never have moved past being cave men as we'd have never stopped competing long enough to advance as a species.

Greed and selfishness are actually really #ty survival traits only useful for individuals and short term success. Even the greediest psychopath has to work within society and learn some ability to cooperate and adapt if they are to succeed.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: LittleByLittle
I really hope you're right.
I've never been tested myself, so I can't be too sure. I'm probably just projecting the lack of trust I have in myself to avoid temptation.

I gave away all my stuff a few years back and went to a hippy commune looking for answers (they had none).
Don't think I've mentioned that here before, however I thought it was relevant to show that I'm not materialistic.

Understanding is the most important thing to me, but what if someone could answer all my questions?
Or what if my family was threatened, would their safety be my price?

How many people should I be willing to sacrifice as not to sell out?



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

No, people avoid Ethiopian restaurants because the food is weird to them. It looks strange, smells strange, you eat with your fingers, etc.

Ethiopian cuisine just hasn't taken off. All the reasons you cite for people to feel "too guilty" to eat Ethiopian also exist for people to feel too guilty to eat any of the several Latin American cuisines that are currently fairly popular. The big difference is that we are familiar with the Latin American stuff, moreso than the Ethiopian, but that is gradually changing.

The more adventurous eaters convince their friends to eat Ethiopian and the more we develop a foodie culture, the less people will feel shy about strange Ethiopian food. It is really good.



posted on Sep, 18 2016 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
We aren't the top of the food chain because of selfishness or greed either.

The traits that put us there are cooperation and adaptability. If greed and selfishness were our primary modus operandi we'd never have moved past being cave men as we'd have never stopped competing long enough to advance as a species.


Once again I would love to be wrong, and this is sort of a chicken or the egg problem.

Cooperation does allow us to get more things.
Was it the things that motivated us, or was it the cooperation?

No matter how much I like to call myself a realist, I am a cynic. Hopefully that cynicism has clouded my judgement and you're correct.



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