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After responding to a report of a domestic incident on May 6 in Weirton, W.Va., then-Weirton police officer Stephen Mader found himself confronting an armed man.
Immediately, the training he had undergone as a Marine to look at “the whole person” in deciding if someone was a terrorist, as well as his situational police academy training, kicked in and he did not shoot.
“I saw then he had a gun, but it was not pointed at me,” Mr. Mader recalled, noting the silver handgun was in the man’s right hand, hanging at his side and pointed at the ground.
“I told him, ‘Put down the gun,’ and he’s like, ‘Just shoot me.’ And I told him, ‘I’m not going to shoot you brother.’ Then he starts flicking his wrist to get me to react to it.
“I thought I was going to be able to talk to him and deescalate it. I knew it was a suicide-by-cop” situation.
But just then, two other Weirton officers arrived on the scene, Mr. Williams walked toward them waving his gun — later found to be unloaded — between them and Mr. Mader, and one of them shot Mr. Williams’ in the back of the head just behind his right ear, killing him.
In a meeting with the chief and City Manager Travis Blosser, Mr. Mader said Chief Alexander told him: “We’re putting you on administrative leave and we’re going to do an investigation to see if you are going to be an officer here. You put two other officers in danger.”
Mr. Mader said that “right then I said to him: ‘Look, I didn’t shoot him because he said, ‘Just shoot me.’ ”
On June 7, a Weirton officer delivered him a notice of termination letter dated June 6, which said by not shooting Mr. Williams he “failed to eliminate a threat.”
The obvious contrast here is with the cops who murder unarmed people, even children, and are given short administrative leaves before being welcomed back on the force with full benefits -- or, if they're terminated, simply walk one town down the road and get a new job in law enforcement.
America's police forces have no trouble summarily firing cops who de-escalate and avoid needless killing, but are institutionally incapable of doing anything about sociopathic murderers with badges.
But if you can't make the call and remove the threat, then you cannot be a cop.
And that ex-cop was a liability to everyone around him. He was trained to take in the situation.
Yes, he was fired for cause. According to the former cop's own statement, the man was a threat. Unless the officer can see that the weapon is unloaded it is to be treated as loaded. It is not the officer's place to diagnose the suspect or figure out their reasoning. It is his job to remove the threat.
originally posted by: JDeLattre89
And yes this style of policing is in the UK. They have to call in special armed units to deal with people with guns.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: JDeLattre89
Yes, he was fired for cause. According to the former cop's own statement, the man was a threat. Unless the officer can see that the weapon is unloaded it is to be treated as loaded. It is not the officer's place to diagnose the suspect or figure out their reasoning. It is his job to remove the threat.
What a crock of narcissistic chicken #. The officer's job is to serve and protect the public. It is not the officer's place to diagnose every man, woman and child as a threat because he BELIEVES and/or FEARS that they MIGHT be a threat at some point or another. They are not judge, jury and executioner.
The man was not a threat, as evidenced by the victim NOT pointing the gun at officers, and as proven by the UNLOADED weapon after being killed in cold blood by a thug with a badge and a gun. But he's dead -- murdered -- because a couple thugs rushed into a situation, scared themselves, and reacted like all cowards.
We all have an absolute inalienable right to life... unless and until a person clearly threatens another person's life -- including an officer -- there is no justification for lethal force. Period. If cops cannot respect and protect EVERYONE's right to life, then THEY are the problem.
I thank everything sacred that I've known good cops with honor and integrity and noble standards so that I don't automatically judge them all by these piss poor murderous standards.
When cops demand better equipment, better training, better anything that will protect themselves as well as the public, I'll be right there beside them and demanding the same... but the cops just making excuses for killing people in cold blood only have my contempt. Because that's all murderers deserve -- especially murderers hiding behind a badge and a gun under color of law.
Yep, armed response were in my town for two separate incidents of someone waving a gun around last month. Neither got shot, both arrested alive. Whatever you say, UK policing is less lethal than US...that really can't be argued against.
Apparently this is where the disconnect is .....the cop was not a liability to everyone around him he was a liability to his colleagues, he was not a liability however to the people that he took an oath to protect and serve...so one could argue he was "for the people" I realize you will not accept it but the shoot first and ask questions later scenario is what will lead to an all out war between the people and the police....that scenario is not very desirable for either party....
originally posted by: ShayneJUK
a reply to: JDeLattre89
indeed they do however here we take an effort to defuse the situation somewhat first before dropping a subject/suspect
and even then effort is made to not kill unless there is no other choice.
officers over here still for the most part still act and think like public servants not like a paramilitary enforcement squad.